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| Are you looking for a job Richard??
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| In all serious Clan, how are you going to use it?
Is it to do with your job now or are you moving in to that kind of area?
Can't just be for personal interest with the amount of time it must have taken?
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| This subject came up a few weeks ago.
Apparently Sanctuary’s philosophy has the players lean and mobile which, in jonh’s words, originally went down well with the players. They took to his methods and it appeared from the evidence in 2009 season they were rewarded. Unfortunately the methods haven’t progressed and the players, particularly the youngsters, were becoming disillusioned with Sanctuary’s policy and wanted to beef up a lot more. The see their peers at other clubs and, as you have pointed out, they feel small in stature. I’ve read they no longer were fully committed to Sanctuary’s methods and perhaps the results have shown.
I’ll admit this is a subject beyond my comprehension and I don’t know which is the right or wrong way on how to condition RL players, However, one thing I have always thought is a team that’s wining looks fitter than a team that’s losing purely down to the amount of defensive work the losing side has to get through. In 2009 Trinity were on fire and were finishing games, and the season, strongly. Fitness was never an issue.
Again, at the start of the 2010 season the clubs first few games continued in the same vein and the players looked in tip top condition. The drastic change in how the player’s fitness appears to have nosedived seems to have coincided with the drastic change in performances of the team. For the last 14 or so months the club have more often than not being on the back foot and the players have subsequently suffered because of this.
As an aside, the fittest I’ve ever seen a Trinity side was when Geoff Evans was the conditioner.
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| Quote: PopTart "In all serious Clan, how are you going to use it?
Is it to do with your job now or are you moving in to that kind of area?
Can't just be for personal interest with the amount of time it must have taken?'"
Without giving too much info about my personal background..Ive always had a passion for and the ambition to follow Andrew, Neil and Paul into coaching but as a single dad of four for the last 14 years its been impossible to do.
I'm now studying physical education with a particular interest in Motor Skill Aquisition, Motor Skill Development and Biomechanics. My hope is to go into teaching but to also take up a coaching role somewhere at any level whether its U7s amateurs or assissting at a pro club somewhere.
I don't know if I'll be any good at it but you don't know until you try!
Quote: PopTart "Are you looking for a job Richard??'"
Without contradicting what I just wrote above... NO!
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| Quote: The Clan "Without giving too much info about my personal background..Ive always had a passion for and the ambition to follow Andrew, Neil and Paul into coaching but as a single dad of four for the last 14 years its been impossible to do.
I'm now studying physical education with a particular interest in Motor Skill Aquisition, Motor Skill Development and Biomechanics. My hope is to go into teaching but to also take up a coaching role somewhere at any level whether its U7s amateurs or assissting at a pro club somewhere.
I don't know if I'll be any good at it but you don't know until you try!
Without contradicting what I just wrote above... NO!'"
I was in two minds whether to ask for exactly the reason you give about your background but good for you. Hope it works out.
Being a parent (single one even more) so has a big say in what you do in your career
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Apparently Sanctuary’s philosophy has the players lean and mobile which, in jonh’s words, originally went down well with the players. They took to his methods and it appeared from the evidence in 2009 season they were rewarded.'"
This was immediately after the season with Adam Trypass, wasn't it? When the players went in exactly the opposite direction, bulking up and becoming as mobile as an oil tanker. It must be pretty complex, trying to find that ideal balance for a particular kind of sport, and then maintaining it.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "This was immediately after the season with Adam Trypass, wasn't it? When the players went in exactly the opposite direction, bulking up and becoming as mobile as an oil tanker. It must be pretty complex, trying to find that ideal balance for a particular kind of sport, and then maintaining it.'"
It must be. But other teams seem to able to do it.Or is it that our players would rather start the day off with a fry up at the Donny rd sarnie shop then train a couple of hours and then finish the day off at Nando's with a bite to eat and a drink.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "This was immediately after the season with Adam Trypass, wasn't it? When the players went in exactly the opposite direction, bulking up and becoming as mobile as an oil tanker. It must be pretty complex, trying to find that ideal balance for a particular kind of sport, and then maintaining it.'"
Season after, Evans was McNallys 2004 conditioner and yet another person taken from us by the never had an original idea themselves Giants. Trypass followed and was very poor.
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| Quote: vastman "Season after, Evans was McNallys 2004 conditioner and yet another person taken from us by the never had an original idea themselves Giants. Trypass followed and was very poor.'"
Our conditioning appeared excellent in 2004 we were finishing games very strongly but again we had a good team and didn't spend all our time defending so you have to factor that in as has you mentioned earlier
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| Quote: The Clan "Without giving too much info about my personal background..Ive always had a passion for and the ambition to follow Andrew, Neil and Paul into coaching but as a single dad of four for the last 14 years its been impossible to do.
I'm now studying physical education with a particular interest in Motor Skill Aquisition, Motor Skill Development and Biomechanics.] My hope is to go into teaching but to also take up a coaching role somewhere at any level whether its U7s amateurs or assissting at a pro club somewhere.
I don't know if I'll be any good at it but you don't know until you try!
Without contradicting what I just wrote above... NO!'"
You could try Harratts or Polar Ford .....
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| who was the fella that got solomona even fatter? chuffing genius he was.
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| Quote: fat faced fan "who was the fella that got solomona even fatter? chuffing genius he was.'"
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| Quote: vastman "Mopsey has made two good points within a week which beggars belief but there you go.
He noted on another thread that many of our young players have failed to develop physically in a way they seem to at other clubs. They remain either painfully under developed like Davey or carry to much puppy fat. I pick on Davey in particular because he IMO is mentally ready for SL but is still a million miles away physically. Yet it's three years since he made his debut in a pre season and made his first team debut last year. I know some player remain relatively slight like Roby and that's not a bad thing but he still looks like a man all be it a business man. I also know there is a limit to what muscular developments some people bodies can manage but looking at Davey I cannot believe that is anywhere near his peak.
So the question is what exactly to we do or more to the point not do with these young players. I think a new conditioning regime is very much in order.
Just thinking outside the box, I'm told that some of the best and most radical up and coming conditioners/trainers are currently being produced by American College Football. Currently there are nowhere near enough places for them in the states. Might be worth a look, with minor modification both sports require very similar athletes. Also the American can do mentality would not go a miss at BV either.'"
It was Beanz that recommended Colin Sancturay after working with him part time at York.
I have long since been a critic of him after being involved in that set up.
In relation to American College football these guys are probably the best in the business, but the wages they are on even the up and coming ones are astronomical, way more than most long established conditioning coaches in rugby league.
I think you would find it nigh on impossible to get someone to come across that was any quality or even had potential quality for the wages on offer at most if not all SL clubs.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "This subject came up a few weeks ago.
Apparently Sanctuary’s philosophy has the players lean and mobile which, in jonh’s words, originally went down well with the players. They took to his methods and it appeared from the evidence in 2009 season they were rewarded. Unfortunately the methods haven’t progressed and the players, particularly the youngsters, were becoming disillusioned with Sanctuary’s policy and wanted to beef up a lot more. The see their peers at other clubs and, as you have pointed out, they feel small in stature. I’ve read they no longer were fully committed to Sanctuary’s methods and perhaps the results have shown.
I’ll admit this is a subject beyond my comprehension and I don’t know which is the right or wrong way on how to condition RL players, However, one thing I have always thought is a team that’s wining looks fitter than a team that’s losing purely down to the amount of defensive work the losing side has to get through. In 2009 Trinity were on fire and were finishing games, and the season, strongly. Fitness was never an issue.
Again, at the start of the 2010 season the clubs first few games continued in the same vein and the players looked in tip top condition. The drastic change in how the player’s fitness appears to have nosedived seems to have coincided with the drastic change in performances of the team. For the last 14 or so months the club have more often than not being on the back foot and the players have subsequently suffered because of this.
As an aside, the fittest I’ve ever seen a Trinity side was when Geoff Evans was the conditioner.'"
The main reason I left was because of the conditioning philosophy especially with the younger players with which I was involved.
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