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| I agree to a degree with both Bren and Sacred Cow over some issues and Avenger makes good points.
People are coming here because our system is easy to exploit. It is obviously easier for EU migrants because the journey is less hazardous. To visit a council office, knock on the door and ask for a house and benefits.
If we keep building houses continually, green belt and countryside will disappear and communities will break down. Our tolerance levels are too high and our "Christian" society abused by Muslims wishing to usurp our laws with Sharia and it would just get worse.
In the north, we will have all driven around Dewsbury, Batley, Bradford and Blackburn and witnessed how integration does not work from Asian immigration.
Part of my family live in Lincolnshire and Boston as an example is on the verge of imploding from EU immigration. If we REMAIN, and welcome Turkey and Albania, we will have a major disaster on our hands.
The Remain campaign is full of statistical lies and the Leave campaign fractured to say the least.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Sorry, are we suggesting that all EU migrants are in work and none are claiming benefits?
Do those migrants that are given priority housing status all pay full rent and council tax?
Are saying that all migrant children seeking places in school are from families that have working parents?
Are all the migrants who use our NHS services contributing via National Insurance?'"
Clearly not all migrants are in work and contributing to the UK economy and yes and people with children will want to try and send them to school.
Equally there are plenty who are working hard to improve their life chances and who contribute to the UK economy.
The Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph certainly put their own twist on the population, especially those who may not have been born in this country.
Without question, something needs to be done about mass migration and somehow trying to prevent the situation with "boat loads" of people risking their lives and trying to float towards Europe.
It's hard for people with "stable" lives to appreciate the desperation and risk that some of the migrants go through to try and get to Europe.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Sorry, are we suggesting that all EU migrants are in work and none are claiming benefits?
Do those migrants that are given priority housing status all pay full rent and council tax?
Are saying that all migrant children seeking places in school are from families that have working parents?
Are all the migrants who use our NHS services contributing via National Insurance?'"
Not all - but many more do than don't; the statistics are out there - EU migrants come here primarily to work; and the taxes they pay far outweigh the benefits paid to those who don't.
And there is no priority housing status for immigrants - that's a myth.
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| Quote: bren2k "Not all - but many more do than don't; the statistics are out there - EU migrants come here primarily to work; and the taxes they pay far outweigh the benefits paid to those who don't.
And there is no priority housing status for immigrants - that's a myth.'"
Confirmed, I work in housing across West Yorkshire and housing priority is awarded to:
1) Homeless
2) Ex-Servicemen
3) Disabled
4) Overcrowded
Many places you have to have lived in the area for 3 of the last 5 years to get any kind if priority (ex servicemen rightly excepted)
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| To quote Bren. And there is no priority housing status for immigrants- that's a myth.
And TrinityIHC confirms that's right.
But then says priority is firstly given to the homeless, aren't immigrants homeless when they apply for housing? Assuming TrinityIHC has the priorities in the correct numerical order, the immigrants would be top of the list over ex servicemen. Diabolical if true.
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| My point is, if we had a points based immigration system as Australia do, we could decide who comes here to settle. If migrants have jobs to come to or a skill set that we need then they would successfully apply while those who don't wouldn't be allowed into the country.
Those who are working are welcome those who aren't are placing even greater stress on the infrastructures of the country at the expense of the natural UK population.
Whilst in the EU it is impossible to control our borders in this way!
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| Quote: The Avenger "My point is, if we had a points based immigration system as Australia do, we could decide who comes here to settle. If migrants have jobs to come to or a skill set that we need then they would successfully apply while those who don't wouldn't be allowed into the country.
Those who are working are welcome those who aren't are placing even greater stress on the infrastructures of the country at the expense of the natural UK population.
Whilst in the EU it is impossible to control our borders in this way!'"
We don't necessarily need skillsets - just people willing to work, often in low paid, unskilled jobs. The health and social care sector for example, which includes the NHS, currently employs around 100,000 migrant workers - without them, the system would collapse.
As for the points-based system - as I've repeatedly said, we have that ability currently for non-EU migrants, yet the numbers have consistently gone up; the people telling you that would work, are presiding over a situation in which it already doesn't.
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| And on the infrastructure stress - the people causing the majority of that are the elderly and the obese; Brexit won't do anything to improve that.
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| Quote: JINJER "To quote Bren. And there is no priority housing status for immigrants- that's a myth.
And TrinityIHC confirms that's right.
But then says priority is firstly given to the homeless, aren't immigrants homeless when they apply for housing? Assuming TrinityIHC has the priorities in the correct numerical order, the immigrants would be top of the list over ex servicemen. Diabolical if true.'"
No - as I understand it, if you've made yourself homeless, you don't get the priority status; and leaving a country in which you had somewhere to live to be homeless in the UK, is making yourself homeless.
The statistics show that migrants are using the private rental market, not social housing.
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| Quote: bren2k "We don't necessarily need skillsets - just people willing to work, often in low paid, unskilled jobs. The health and social care sector for example, which includes the NHS, currently employs around 100,000 migrant workers - without them, the system would collapse.
As for the points-based system - as I've repeatedly said, we have that ability currently for non-EU migrants, yet the numbers have consistently gone up; the people telling you that would work, are presiding over a situation in which it already doesn't.'"
Of course it works, Australia and many other countries have used it for decades. As far as unskilled workers goes, that's something we need to fix internally, we don't need to have the EU free gangway as an answer for that!
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| Quote: bren2k "And on the infrastructure stress - the people causing the majority of that are the elderly and the obese; Brexit won't do anything to improve that.'"
So a net 330,000 immigrants per year isn't putting any stress on infrastructure, Give your head a shake!
As I said earlier, it isn't large gangs of migrant doctors and nurses that intimidate me when I walk through the Ridings centre of a Tuesday afternoon!
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| Quote: bren2k "No - as I understand it, if you've made yourself homeless, you don't get the priority status; and leaving a country in which you had somewhere to live to be homeless in the UK, is making yourself homeless.
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No it's not and I suspect you know that!
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| Quote: bren2k "And on the infrastructure stress - the people causing the majority of that are the elderly and the obese; Brexit won't do anything to improve that.'"
don't immigrants get obese and old, one of the biggest strains currently on the NHS is type 2 diabetes and the asian and black population tend to be more susceptible to this disease.
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| Quote: KevW60349 "don't immigrants get obese and old, one of the biggest strains currently on the NHS is type 2 diabetes and the asian and black population tend to be more susceptible to this disease.'"
But the Asian and Black populations won't be affected if we leave the EU!!!
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| Quote: Kevs Head "But the Asian and Black populations won't be affected if we leave the EU!!!'"
They will if introduce a points system after leaving
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