I don't agree with the way either side are handling the debate because it is just one lot of Conservatives against another group and both have been brought up on the tactics of fear.
If you ignore the infighting the only answer is that we must remain in Europe because the days of empire are long gone and will never return. The out group quote that we will regain control of our borders and quote Norway and how they have a trade agreement with the EU. The problem is that to do this they have to agree to the free movement of people.
I believe that for every pound we pay to the EU we gat 80p back but why let the truth get in the way of the well trodden path of fear.

My personnel belief is that the biggest risk in the long term is Remaining. I'm willing to concede in the short term the biggest risk is Leaving but not the apocalyptic visions of Cameron and co. I'm motivated by my Children's future not my personnel short term material gain.

Considering we are a net contributor to the EU and run a massive trade deficit with the EU I can't see that us going down isn't going to take them down. Mutually assured economic chaos will see that a deal will be in place within 2 years of article 50 been invoked. I'm more concerned of the risks of Turkey joining the EU (if not official through affiliation) or us been dragged into future EU bail outs. All roads point to increase contributions and increased austerity over here. The Status Quo will not be an option. In uncertain times I would rather have the ability to hold to account the people that have the power to make these decisions.

Well at least you could vote boris Johnson out nobody can stop the Eu project and we will have to put up with every single dictat from Brussels that they want to impose on Britain . I'm tired of seeing the remain propaganda on the BBC it's pure scaremongering and paid for by the Eu.

Politics is mostly full of career politicians that have no idea what it's like in the real world and I agree this subject has brought out the worst in them on both sides.
My biggest motivator in voting out is the legacy it will have on my childs future and I do think that the current EU free movement of people has created lower wages and higher house prices in the UK alongside helping corporate bosses and bankers get richer to boot. The Australian model of a points system would work well in the UK and bring in the skills needed whilst managing the numbers to help our buckling health and education services.

I wonder if the RFL at Red hall followed the EU projects model

Agree with all the above. Also agree that a deal will eventually be done. It makes sense for both sides, especially all those companies that rely on British people to buy their goods and have done for decades. I just can't see a scenario where the EU is going to cut their nose off to spite their face. Ateotd what are the German's going to do with all their VW's, Audi's, Mercs, BMW's; the French with their Peugeot and Renaults and all their wine they ship over here. It keeps been mentioned that people think we're still the British Empire, I'm sure everyone knows where not but what we are is the 5th biggest economy in the world and with that I'd say we have a fair bit of Economic power.

Cheap labour is the enemy of the working class it undermines everything so why are the Labour Party and trade unions not speaking out against the massive influx of cheap labour,because they all support the Euro project and don't care about the impact on ordinary working people.

You're right, we are a big power economically but this is dependent largely on London's financial centre. We don't manufacture much any more, and if we do it's more specialist stuff, rather than bulk. The only large manufacturing jobs are for car firms, all with foreign owners.

If the London Financial centre gets even slightly marginalised by the Americans and EU, then we'll struggle IMO.

Because Corbyn has sold his soul now he's got the top job, Clegg was the same when he got in charge although I would argue if he ever had any principles to start with. There's nobody at the top who gives a stuff about ordinary working people and that dare to speak out on the effects of mass migration.

I understand your thoughts and agree with some of it. However, although we are a "net contributor", countries like Norway and Switzerland (being in "similar" positions to that of Britain would be following "exit"), both have to contribute substantially to enjoy favorable trading conditions and they have absolutely no say in what happens in Europe.
We would be the same, therefore, this argument doesn't hold much sway.

Surely, we are better placed, trying to have influence "fighting" from within, as opposed to being dictated to on the
outside ?

Do you follow a man who likes a bit of a love in with the best bacon or go with the man who whilst playing foosball rugby tackles someone. Boris wins everytime for me. Doesnt matter whos in charge we all get rogered

We have the 5th largest economy in the world so we'll hardly be getting the begging bowl out looking for trade partners. Neither are we in any way comparable with Norway and Switzerland.

We have absolutely zero influence in the EU, evidenced by the total lack of success that the idiot Cameron had when trying to negotiate a better deal for the UK.

We contribute around £88Million a day to the EU and after that figure is balanced off by the discounts and kickbacks we are still a net contributor of =#FF0000£32Million per Day
That's almost £12Billion a year that we contribute to the EU

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Coincidentally that's the same figure the Conservative zgovernment said they'd cut from Welfare at the last election, a figure they wouldn't be drawn on as to the where, who and how they'd do it!

£12 Billion!
How many schools is that?
How much housing?
How many Hospitals?

I'm no UKIP supporter and I'm not a Farage admirer but he's the only one talking any sense about immigration and he's the only one telling the truth about our inability to control our own borders while a member of the EU.

Everyone else fudges the issue and and throws up a smokescreen of "where would we be without immigration in the 50s & 60s"
Well that was then and we needed the immigration at that time but this is now and we don't need immigration on nearly the same scale.

"The NHS will fail without the influx of specialists, Consultants, Doctors and Nurses who come here to work in our NHS"

Well first of all, stop systematically undermining and underfunding the NHS so that you can Backdoor privatise it. Secondly, pay our own Medical and health staff properly and they might not feel the need to go work elsewhere. Finally, come on, who the hell do you think you're kidding! Walk through the Ridings centre on any afternoon and I'll tell you straight, it's not gangs of Consultant Doctors and Nurses that are sat around bothering young girls and intimidating anyone passing by.

Every form of infrastructure is stretched and broken,
Health
Education
Public Services
Housing
Welfare

We cannot continue to see mass immigration with no way whatsoever of stopping it, not while we're in the EU anyway, NONE!

Hey but I've outed myself haven't I?
I must be a racist or an uneducated bigot because I've broken the taboo and voiced my opinion against immigration.

You may now conveniently ignore anything I've said!