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Quote: The Avenger "No ones said that immigration caused the infrastructures of the U.K. to break, they didn't, as you say and ideological systematic underfunding has done that.

However when everything is stretched beyond its ability to cope, a net migration of 300,000 per year can not be absorbed.

We can not control our borders, free gangway across Europe is a prerequisite of being in the EU.'"

As has already been mentioned more than once if the UK wants to avoid going bust following a Brexit then it will need to sign up to a trade deal with the EU given thats where 50% of our exports go. A prerequisite of this is signing up to the free market deal and accepting their terms and conditions, one of which is free movement of workers. So immigration will not change either way unless we really do want to try and go it alone then we can all sit back and watch companies fail left, right and centre.

All the political parties up and down the country bar the one-trick ponies that are UKIP and a few Tory posh boys trying to get their careers back on track are backing staying in for a reason, it is better having a seat at the table and a say in what happens than being outside banging on the window and being ignored. All financial institutions, the office for national statistics, Bank of England, The Treasury, Institute for Fiscal Studies etc, point out that the country will be worse off outside and as such everybody will suffer.

The Brexiteers have come up with nothing to counter this, the only two bits of 'fact' they have tried is that immigration would come down and that it costs us £350 million a week to be in the EU. And BOTH pieces of information are INCORRECT! They have come up with nothing that tells me that we would better off outside, in fact their only answer to any data put out is Boris Johnson doing that ridiculous incomprehensable noise follow by saying no that won't happen. No facts, no information, just head in the sand denial from people more interested in winning this to further their own political career than whats actually best for the country.

In no way shape or form has anyone from the leave campaign come up with anything to convince me that change is for the best, in fact exactly the opposite has happened. The EU is far from perfect and does need further reform but for this country to benefit we have to be in it to do something about it. So i'm voting in, for me the risk of leaving is too high and would bring no particular benfits anyway.

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Quote: deeHell "There we go again with assumption that Remain voters voted in a more informed way. Basically Leave

The facts would back up your assertion:

"According to the polls, university graduates were the most likely people to want to remain in the EU - while those with a GCSE or equivalent as their highest qualification were more likely to back Brexit.

This was a pattern that was reflected in the results.

Those with no education tended to vote Brexit."

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Quote: bren2k "The facts would back up your assertion


That's an awfully disappointing post!

The polls also suggest that those over 45 were most likely to vote to exit, you know those from generations and of an age for whom University wasn't really an option for the majority. Yet those who have worked all their lives and have a different kind of education that doesn't get a graduation ceremony. They're also the ones that will remember the UK before the EU or even the Common Market, they'll remember that we were capable of standing on our own.

They must all be thick according to you!

Don't come back with an excuse that you're the messenger, the fact that you've posted this in the context you have says what you think.

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Quote: wotsupcas "Can't believe some of the subliminal snobbery on this thread since brexit won. Some of you sound like the metropolitan elite that are sulking in London. I would bet good money that the the bulk of the pro europe brigade on this thread don't have to make their living in the real world. Most will work for the local authority or be employed by the government in some capacity . The power base in this country has been centralised in London for far too long and they've been given a bloody nose by the little people . Stop stamping your feet and get on with it - the world hasn't stopped turning.'"


How patronising!! In one reply you have summed up the why people voted for Brexit. Do you really think that it will now change and suddenly London will no longer be the centre of everything in the UK? Who will be PM - the previous mayor of London! If anything it will get worse and all the investment will be centred on the South.

BTW I do not work for the Government in any way and have a working class background. I just managed to see beyond the immediate issues and see what was causing them. And it's not the EU

Do you realise that many of the workers rights we enjoy come from the EU? Do you really think that Boris and his Eton cronies really give a fig about them?

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Quote: bren2k "The facts would back up your assertion


Shocking contemptious post this Bren. After much research I voted to leave, and although clearly we all have different views the decision has now been made in a democratic way.

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