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This has been doing the rounds on social media. Kind of struck a chord.

[iSome of my friends and relations have told me they will vote for Brexit in our referendum. At the risk of falling out with them I intend to vote for us to remain in the EU. Here's a bit of pre-EU history to help explain my position.
I grew up in a time of post-war austerity. My country, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, was broke and virtually in ruins. Germans were still "the enemy" in children's games. Bomb sites and abandoned air-raid shelters were our playgrounds. Nine years after the war ended butter, meat and sugar were still rationed. One couldn't buy sweets without coupons issued by the government.
Portugal and Spain were fascist dictatorships. In Spain unauthorised gatherings of more than 3 people were illegal. A military junta later seized power in Greece. Half of Europe was sealed off behind the Iron Curtain. I remember lying in bed at night, in my parents home, and hearing the roar of American warplanes flying overhead on their Cold War missions. We were told that, if the Russians unleashed their missiles, we would get 4 minutes' warning of Armageddon.
In Britain our currency was weak. We had exchange controls. Travellers were allowed to take only £25 sterling out of the country plus a limited amount in foreign currency. On return, any left over had to be sold back to an authorised trader. The details were entered in one's passport. (See photo.)
The UK still had the death penalty despite some obvious and irreversible miscarriages of justice. In France they still executed condemned prisoners by cutting their heads off. In Spain they used strangulation.
The press and the BBC, (there was only the BBC), were not free from government interference and books, films and plays were censored. Women were paid less than men for equivalent work and landlords could turn away black and Irish people with impunity. For private acts of "gross indecency" gay men were sent to prison.
During the 1950s, six similarly devastated European countries were determined that the catastrophe of war between them should never be repeated. They decided to work towards creating a single European economy. The result was never "just a trading agreement" as some detractors now suggest. The Treaty of Rome, signed in 1957, provided for free movement of goods, services, people and capital, with the stated aim of "closer relations between the States".
The UK was invited to participate from the outset, but Prime Minister Attlee rather scornfully declined, thus missing the opportunity to influence the future development of Europe. However, by 1961 it had become obvious that the economies of "the Six", (France, West Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg), were growing faster than ours, so we applied to join. It took 9 years of negotiations, (and 2 vetoes), before terms were agreed. The United Kingdom officially joined the European Communities on 1st January 1973.
In the 1980s many of our skilled workers took advantage of the free movement of people and migrated to West Germany, whose economy had already overtaken ours. These British " migrants" were the inspiration for a popular television series, "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet".
Since 1945 there have been wars in Europe, but none between countries that were members of the European Union. Despite global economic storms, the EU's citizens in 28 independent countries enjoy greater prosperity and greater freedom of movement, freedom from discrimination, freedom from conflict, freedom to trade across borders and freedom of expression than at any time in history.
So far no member state has ever applied to leave the EU. There have always been candidates to join but to succeed they must have democracy, the rule of law, a market economy and guarantees for the protection of minorities and human rights. They also need the support of ALL existing members, including us, without which they cannot join. In my opinion it would be a shame if Britain were to turn its back on Europe, give up its voice and influence, and opt for an uncertain future. So...I shall vote IN on 23rd June.[/i

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Quote: deeHell "There we go again with assumption that Remain voters voted in a more informed way. Basically Leave

The facts would back up your assertion:

"According to the polls, university graduates were the most likely people to want to remain in the EU - while those with a GCSE or equivalent as their highest qualification were more likely to back Brexit.

This was a pattern that was reflected in the results.

Those with no education tended to vote Brexit."

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Quote: bren2k "The facts would back up your assertion


That's an awfully disappointing post!

The polls also suggest that those over 45 were most likely to vote to exit, you know those from generations and of an age for whom University wasn't really an option for the majority. Yet those who have worked all their lives and have a different kind of education that doesn't get a graduation ceremony. They're also the ones that will remember the UK before the EU or even the Common Market, they'll remember that we were capable of standing on our own.

They must all be thick according to you!

Don't come back with an excuse that you're the messenger, the fact that you've posted this in the context you have says what you think.

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Quote: wotsupcas "Can't believe some of the subliminal snobbery on this thread since brexit won. Some of you sound like the metropolitan elite that are sulking in London. I would bet good money that the the bulk of the pro europe brigade on this thread don't have to make their living in the real world. Most will work for the local authority or be employed by the government in some capacity . The power base in this country has been centralised in London for far too long and they've been given a bloody nose by the little people . Stop stamping your feet and get on with it - the world hasn't stopped turning.'"


How patronising!! In one reply you have summed up the why people voted for Brexit. Do you really think that it will now change and suddenly London will no longer be the centre of everything in the UK? Who will be PM - the previous mayor of London! If anything it will get worse and all the investment will be centred on the South.

BTW I do not work for the Government in any way and have a working class background. I just managed to see beyond the immediate issues and see what was causing them. And it's not the EU

Do you realise that many of the workers rights we enjoy come from the EU? Do you really think that Boris and his Eton cronies really give a fig about them?

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Quote: bren2k "The facts would back up your assertion


Shocking contemptious post this Bren. After much research I voted to leave, and although clearly we all have different views the decision has now been made in a democratic way.

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The vote has finished. Let it go.

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