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| sorry to resurrect this - but I posted the following a week or so ago to make sure everyyone knew exactly what the stance was - the offer should have read something like:
Pledge £100 now - if we reach 2,500 tickets before 30/9 that's all you'll pay - if we don't then we will come basck to you for a further £75 and the price for everyone will be £175 from there on. If you don't want to pay the extra £75 we'll give you your £100 back - see how easy it would have been to make this clear? only wakefield etc
Quote benny the ball="benny the ball"sorry if this has been covered in the other topics on this subject, and please lock this if it has - but:
I live in Wigan and don't get to the shop much in the close season. I ordered my season ticket on-line a couple of weeks ago and hadn't received it - so rang the shop.
They are not issuing season tickets until November because they are waiting to see if we reach the 2,500 target first.
IF NOT - the season ticket price will be the full price irrespective of when you ordered the ticket - i.e. NO-ONE HAS BOUGHT THEIR SEASON TICKET AT THE OFFER PRICE UNTIL WE REACH THE 2,500 TARGET!
Everyone will be contacted requesting the additional funds if we don;t reach the target - and you will be able to claim your original 'stake' back if you don't want to proceed.
SO JUST FOR CLARITY: Is this what everyone else considers that offer to be?
I work in the banking and communication business - I'm not stupid (honestly) but I believe the wording of our ticket offer to be misleading and I'm not sure how this will look if we miss the target and we then have to go back to everybody for additional funding. Have cash payments been handed over? what about the split payment offer? etc etc.
I made the point to the shop that, to my knowledge, despite a lot of pages of discussion on this tpoic on the message boards - the club do not appear to have used the internet as a medium for correcting any misunderstandings (despite the fact that I'm assured 'anyone who has been into the shop to pay has been told this'.
I've had a season ticket for more years than I care to remember - irrespective of the price I'll be getting one next year - but I've pointed other people at this offer who may very well feel misled in the way we are fufilling this initiative.
Is it just me???????'"
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| Quote BIGAL1="BIGAL1"Read Sluggers post and his views on the "paid in full" and its nothing in the offer is legally binding.'"
I must admit, unless the wording in the article on the website has been changed in the meantime, I can't see what the issue is here. You pay your 100 quid as a down payment "in full" to subscribe to the offer. If the target is reached, you get your season ticket for 100 quid. If not, you can either pay the extra 75 or get your money back. I'm no legal boffin, mind, so there may be some issue with the term "in full" that I'm not aware of. As a layman, though, the interpretation appears straightforward.
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| Quote RebelRebel="RebelRebel"I must admit, unless the wording in the article on the website has been changed in the meantime, I can't see what the issue is here. You pay your 100 quid as a down payment "in full" to subscribe to the offer. If the target is reached, you get your season ticket for 100 quid. If not, you can either pay the extra 75 or get your money back. I'm no legal boffin, mind, so there may be some issue with the term "in full" that I'm not aware of. As a layman, though, the interpretation appears straightforward.'"
Don't know if its changed or not and like i've said i'm not confused  but other seem to be a bit unsure and thats why i've questioned it.
Eveb if the wordings been changed there are plenty of paper copys about.
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| Quote BIGAL1="BIGAL1"I am happy with the deal dboy, its not an issue for me at all but he last two people i've spoken to seem to think they have bought season tickets and paid in full.
1 guy is at all home games and the other i see at most games, both stressed they had bought and paid for a season ticket at £100.
Now they may both be stupid i don't know but when i explained they were having none of it.'"
If T's&C's are on the web site, they are elusive. They may be right at the end of the buying process...
I guess that if the target is not met, your 2 people will be asking for their money back - taking this down the "legal" route is not an option - the first solicitors letter will cost you more than the ST itself!
I would be fairly confident that both AG and the Club, know their legal position exactly. It doesn't strike me as the kind of error AG would make.
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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"There was no reason that the ticket offer couldn't have run until 31st January, that would have given those who signed up in August a full six months to find £100.
You could have joined the scheme at any time between Aug & Jan on the understanding that it had to be paid by equal monthly payments so had you joined in Oct you would make 4 equal monthly payments of £25, Nov 3 equal payments of £33.33 and so on.
Sandwiching the offer into a six week period that falls between Summer holidays, back to school and Christmas while also expecting fans to pay for the last few games of the 2011 season was poor planning of a very good offer.'"
If they hadn't time limited the offer then how many do you think would have been sold so far? A lot less than we have, that's for sure.
Most people will hang on as long as possible before buying which then means the club fail to get their hands on the money when they most need it.
If we wait until January before finding how much we've got available to spend on players, who do you think we will find to sign? The club needs the money now so they can plan properly for next season, not just guess and get it wrong. The idea is to make the club more sustainable and risking money they might not get isn't the way to do that is it??
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| Don't know what this is all about, we [uwill[/u get 2500 takers
We aren't too far away, just one last push (sounds like overheard in the maternity suite)
Keep the faith, this time next week all this 'worry' will be irrelevant.
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| Quote Fordy="Fordy"If they hadn't time limited the offer then how many do you think would have been sold so far? '"
Further than Fordy, this the EARLY BIRD OFFER.
It's the deal you get by stumping up your cash early, for the very reasons you gave.
If certain posters want to but theirs in January, i.e. not early, they can. They will just have to pay more.
Some people seem not to grasp that.
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| Windows cleaned. Back on topic...
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| Quote BIGAL1="BIGAL1"Can you not grasp the confusion caused by this, if people want to take back the £100 in the morning they are legally entitled to do so, or so i've just been informed.'"
you are correct oh tall one 
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| Quote Hennimore!="Hennimore!"you are correct oh tall one
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There were no terms and conditions, because I was looking for them. Although you could ask for a refund, I'm not sure the club could get out of it if people said, "no thank you, I don't want a refund, I want the item I have bought and for which you have said I have paid the full price."
On the other hand, I ought to say that although I am a solicitor, I have only worked in criminal law. My contract and consumer law knowledge has not been utilised since my undergraduate days, which was two decades ago.
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"There were no terms and conditions, because I was looking for them. Although you could ask for a refund, I'm not sure the club could get out of it if people said, "no thank you, I don't want a refund, I want the item I have bought and for which you have said I have paid the full price."
On the other hand, I ought to say that although I am a solicitor, I have only worked in criminal law. My contract and consumer law knowledge has not been utilised since my undergraduate days, which was two decades ago.'"
Cast your mind back to your undergraduate days. There are 5 elements to a Contract, they are:
1. Invitation to Treat.
2. Offer.
3. Acceptance.
4. Consideration.
5. Performance.
The flyer offering ST's at £100 is the Invitation to Treat. You have made an Offer of £100.00 and the Club has accepted your offer (Acceptance) by taking your money which is the Consideration. Performance is the handing over to you of the ST but this has not happened yet because they have not been printed.
I believe that you have a contact and the Club must give you a ST for the £100 you have given them. I do not believe Contractually they can ask for any additional sum.
As I have posted on the TV Advert thread I dont know why everyone is getting so wound up. If you have committed to purchase a ST for £100 you will get one whether the traget of 2,500 is achieved or not. There is no way the Club are going to risk a PR and Financial disaster by asking for more money (which is contractually wrong in my opinion) or giving people their money back.
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