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Quote: cougarmania_1978 "no doubt it was wrong to do, however if we kept internationals correct and had a team full of english players vs a team full of kiwis or australians this would never of happened. if england want to be taken serious on the world stage then they need to take themselves serious first fa'savalu now chase, oh and heighingtons cats mothers cousin was english so throw him in there the only one i do agree with is jack reed as he was born here.'"


So where would you draw the line as regards international eligibility?

I don't think it can be as simplistic as you can only play for the country that you are born in.

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why cant it be as simple as that ? because england would never win anything ?
look at the kiwis and the australians do they have any other nationalities playing for them.

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I don't think it is that simple because of the seemingly shrinking world where fewer people are born, grow up and remain in the same country their whole lives.
For me, the key is having the passion to represent their country. Their home country might be where they live or where they were born or where some of their family is from. That is the principle I believe in... the rules needed to apply that fairly may be more difficult. Deciding somebody else's passion is very subjective.

That said, no player (no matter what their opinion or background) should be allowed to get away with maliciously trying to injure another player (no matter what their opinions or backgrounds are).

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Quote: Stealth Comic "....Be made to change his surname to Hunt by deed poll for the rest of his career.'"


I don't know which is worse, that or a one year ban icon_lol.gif

Should be dragged across the coals, but do those who run the game have the bottle?

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Quote: cougarmania_1978 "no doubt it was wrong to do, however if we kept internationals correct and had a team full of english players vs a team full of kiwis or australians this would never of happened.'"


So you would never get a player. Try to hurt another player, if only English players played for England?

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Quote: cougarmania_1978 "why cant it be as simple as that ? because england would never win anything ? '"

Take someone like my Dad for example, has lived all but 6 months of his life in England educated in England, has an English accent, yet was born in Newport, 20 miles inside Wales. Are you saying he would only be eligible for Wales if he was 20 years younger and a decent player?
Quote: cougarmania_1978 "look at the kiwis and the australians do they have any other nationalities playing for them.'"

Jason Nightingale and Nathan Fien are both Australian born yet playing for the Kiwis.

Petero Civoniceva was born in Fiji but has had a glittering career for the Kangaroos.

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Be made to change his surname to Hunt by deed poll for the rest of his career.'"


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Quote: Stealth Comic "Be made to change his surname to Hunt by deed poll for the rest of his career.'"


That is brilliant and should be his punishment a010.gif a010.gif a010.gif

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stealth comic your dad should only be eligible for wales yes, nightingale and fien only for australia civonicieva for fiji and chase for new zealdn. the only reason he is claiming to be passionatge about england is because he cannot get in the kiwi side. where was his passion when he played for the nz maori just before the 2008 world cup ? oops it must be new found passion, no he chose nz maori because he wanted to play for nz he is gettin older and knows his chances are slimming so he has gone for the england set up that quite frankly if u have a passport that says nz australia and you have been here a few seasons come on in heres a shirt.

furthermore mr. guesswho yes if it was a team full of england players the act of violence would never of taken place as issac luke explaine dit was directed at that player and that player alone. luke and the entire new zealand team were out to get him because they saw it asan act of dis respect and basically looked like he turned his back on his country. if it was all england players nothing more than the usual losing, and rough and tumble of the game would have happened.

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If there was someone that did not know there place of birth and had no birth certificate, who would they be eligible to play for? Or would they not be eligible to play for anybody?

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Quote: cougarmania_1978 "
furthermore mr. guesswho yes if it was a team full of england players the act of violence would never of taken place as issac luke explaine dit was directed at that player and that player alone.'"


Thats not the point you made. You said,

Quote: cougarmania_1978 "no doubt it was wrong to do, however if we kept internationals correct and had a team full of english players vs a team full of kiwis or australians this would never of happened'"
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the comments are of the same context i stated issac luke said it was directed at that player, where as the other comment clearly states if it was a full team of english players it wouldnt have happened. rangi chase is not english. hense if he hadnt of been playing issac luke wouldnt have done what he did (one of the comments proven) the team would have been a full set of english players and issac luke would not have been going after rangi coz he wouldnt have been on the pitch (the comments go hand in hand)

if it is too hard for your brain to process then simply dont reply.

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Quote: cougarmania_1978 "
if it is too hard for your brain to process then simply dont reply.'"


You really need better bait than that. This one you have just used is well past its sell by date.

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Quote: cougarmania_1978 "stealth comic your dad should only be eligible for wales yes.'"


So despite being just as English culturally, linguistally, residentially, and educationally as most English people he is not allowed to represent England because it just so happened his mother was in Wales when he was born?

You do realise how ridiculous that makes you look, don't you?

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Quote: Stealth Comic "So despite being just as English culturally, linguistally, residentially, and educationally as most English people he is not allowed to represent England because it just so happened his mother was in Wales when he was born?

You do realise how ridiculous that makes you look, don't you?'"


incorret my point is aimed directly at players such as rangi chase who has represented nz at international level witht he maori and players such as danny brough who has played for scotland. if international rugby is about passion and heart for the country then surely these type of players have neither, highlighted by the fact that they havedumped there initial choice who im sure they will have quoted at some point was a real honour and privilege to be picked.

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