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| After the usual separate threads for the big meetings last year, as well as for Chelts & Aintree over the jumps this year, makes sense to have one for the 5 days of Ascot + the build up. Will be easier to keep the Ascot discussion/tips separate from the other racing and sports discussion.
5 potentially cracking days of flat action in store if all of the big names make it there.
Lets find out best bets, any bankers, any value, any horses that are under-priced and to be avoided. Anyone going down for any of the days?
In work at 7 in the morning so will add my views and such at some point tomorrow.
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| 3rd and final bet of the meeting is in the Gold Cup.
Fame and Glory should take the beating, and on breeding should get the trip.
Duncan looks like he has stamina doubts, and the rest of the field don't really look upto standard, except for Manighar who's best form looks to be on softened ground, and Holberg, who needs fast ground. A winner over 2m at the meeting last year, his stamina looks assured, and has Ascot specialist (Dettori) on board). Had a good pipe-opener in the best trial, on ground he did'nt like, so assumoing the ground rides the predicted good/firm, he looks the most likely to shake up the favourite.
Holberg 10/1 @ Hills.
£10 win Patent;
Cape Blanco 6/1 Queen Anne
Planteur 7/2 Prince of Wales
Holberg 10/1 Gold Cup...
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| Monsieur Chevalier
King’s Stand Stakes 50/1 EW
Golden Jubilee Stakes 66/1 EW
10/3 Treble
Canford
Frankel
So You Think
Single on Canford @ 11/8
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| Patent looks scuppered before it's started. Plenty of rain around and more to come
Added Manigar @14s as a saver in case of soft ground.
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| Simcock will be doing a rain dance in hope of getting Dream Ahead's campaign underway.
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| Looks like its worked good to soft.
Going to have a look for some soft lovers
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| Just found this thread, good shout. Let's hope we have some success like certain posters did at Chelt
It's gonna be on the soft side by the looks of this year, which could make things more interesting.
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| Surely Goldikova will be more at home on good to soft than Canford.
Cityscape has a bit to find but the ground will be on his side, could run into a place.
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| Ascot straight going will 'probably be good' after dry day.
Topped up on Canford @ 6/4
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| Quote: andym1988 "Surely Goldikova will be more at home on good to soft than Canford.
Cityscape has a bit to find but the ground will be on his side, could run into a place.'"
Only two places now Hannon has pulled Dick Turpin out
Liking the look of Zigato in the Ascot Stakes, though 5s is a bit shorter than I'd imagined. Will try and nick some 6s on course
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| On the basis that stamina comes from the dam and ground preference from the sire, then the ground will not suit Canford Cliffs. His sire ( tagula) had a distinct preference for fast ground, every time he encountered soft or worse, he was beaten. Goldikova has the repeat winners and age stat against her,plus the non-committed comments from the trainer after her d'Ispahan win. softening ground also brings in Cityscape and Rio de la Plata. Ergo;
Place lay both Canford Cliffs and Goldikova. Potentially 5 horses going for 2 places.
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| Ascot Stakes 5.00 Australia Day 20/1 EW 4 Places
Made a name for himself last year with a couple of impressive win over hurdles, ran well on the flat in 2009 and 2010 is now on his lowest mark for 2 years only 3lbs higher then his last win, has a good record at Ascot of two 2nds and a 4th.
Has never raced over further then 2m1f but the track record he set at Kempton last year suggests it shouldn't be a problem, hasn't raced for 7 months but the booking of Murtagh is a plus.
Quote: "Mollington trainer Paul Webber has made an impressive start to the new National Hunt campaign. But the Cropredy Lawn handler will turn his attentions to the Flat for one day next week.
Australia Day heads to Royal Ascot for Tuesday’s Ascot Stakes, a race which Webber won in 2007 with Full House. Five years earlier he saddled his first winner at the Royal meeting when Ulundi won the Wolferton Stakes, and Webber is hopeful Australia Day can run a big race next week.
The eight-year-old was fourth in last year’s Duke of Edinburgh Stakes at Royal Ascot and Johnny Murtagh has been booked to ride him in next week’s 2m4f contest.
Australia Day has impressed on a couple of racecourse gallops at Towcester recently and worked well earlier this week.
“The plan is to run Australia Day on Tuesday but he also has options in The Duke of Edinburgh Stakes and The Queen Alexandria Stakes on the Saturday,” said Webber.'"
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| Quote: Live Wired "On the basis that stamina comes from the dam and ground preference from the sire, then the ground will not suit Canford Cliffs. His sire ( tagula) had a distinct preference for fast ground, every time he encountered soft or worse, he was beaten. Goldikova has the repeat winners and age stat against her,plus the non-committed comments from the trainer after her d'Ispahan win. softening ground also brings in Cityscape and Rio de la Plata. Ergo;
Place lay both Canford Cliffs and Goldikova. Potentially 5 horses going for 2 places.'"
Place lay Canford and Goldikova? are you mad?
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| Similar conditions last year, Goldikova beat Paco Boy by a neck. Hannon and Hughes are adamant Canford is the best horse they have had.
The only thing that worries me is Richard Hughes. If he cocks it up, it is usually in style. Recent example Dubawi Gold in the Irish Guineas (not speaking through my pocket as I had Dunboyne Express in my patent).
He must get it spot on. Canford is the sort of horse - with his finishing burst - you only get one run with (like Paco).
Goldikova is obviously brilliant, but at the age of 6 she may be vulnerable to Canford's younger legs. At 4, he should be at the peak of his powers and seems to have grown a lot since 3. After all she has done for connections, don't think they would consider 2nd the end of the world. She was probably kept in training with one main aim - another Breeders Cup Mile.
For the Kings Stand, I like the look of Sole Power. A lot of the foreign trainers seem rather bullish about their chances but the one could be Sole Power. Overdose is likely to blaze a trail again, and that could set up a repeat of the Temple Stakes from Haydock. Sole Power should be travelling well and, unless something else is going similarly well and finishes better, he could be the one to beat.
Frankel looks unopposable in the St James's Palace. No reason to see why any of the others should reverse the form. Despite having room for improvement, Frankel probably does too. Wootton Bassett looks an excellent bet for a place though, was excellent at two and according to Fahey cut his own throat in the French Guineas due to his early keenness. Hanagan didn't want to have to make the running that day but that is how it turned out, especially from his poor draw too. Should definitely fill one of the places, probably fighting it out with Grand Prix Boss, Dubawi Gold and Excellebration. Will be fascinating to see how Dream Ahead runs on his first start at three.
Barry Hills has laid Mezmaah out for this and won very well on debut at Haydock and should've improved, as expected, for the experience. Power is one to take seriously though, O'Brien is never short of a talented juvenile so he obviously thinks this one is up to the standard required. Won well on debut and just found the 5f too sharp last time but managed to hold on, was a listed race too. Races like this though you never know where the most potential for improvement may lie.
Junior should be thereabouts in the next but is a lot farther up the weights than he was last year, although he does seem to have improved a lot over jumps during the winter so there could still be improvement in him. I like the look of the Gosden horse, Zigato. Looks to have a good profile for it, and doesn't carry too much weight either. Won at Ascot last time out over 2m after looking unlucky during running, the 6lb rise shouldn't stop him going close here over the exta half mile.
Similar to the Coventry, there could be improvement to come from anywhere. Could be a big priced winner here. I'm going for either Worthington or Gentleman's Code. Wesley Ward trains the latter in America and he has sent over some very fast front runners, could blitz them from the front like one of his others did a couple of years ago. Worthington won well on debut at Carlisle, looks the Fahey first string and should have bags of improvement to come. Not a race to get too heavily involved in.
My picks for tomorrow;
Canford Cliffs
Sole Power
Frankel
Power
Zigato
Gentleman's Code
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| Flash Dance sets a fast pace with Goldi tracking 2f out Goldi hits the front stalked by Canford who gets up on the line.
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