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Leave 3 of the only big forwards (Clubb, Bullock and Clark) out of the 17 all the time and play as any mad, aggressive, midget second rowers as possible instead?

Genuinely interested/amazed (Wire fan).

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Who knows. I mean there’s no way Clubb should be in but the treatment of Bullock and Clark is just baffling. He’s just a coach incapable of getting the best from his players.

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Bullock is lucky to still be at the club this year

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Quote: Smalls "Bullock is lucky to still be at the club this year'"


Not as lucky as his coach, though. icon_wink.gif

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Blame Lam, blame individual players, install a Trainer in Peet who has less experience as a Coach then Lam, even re-install Wane as Coach who got the same flak from the same people who now blame Lam. All add up to the frustration now being felt by supporters.

Blame all and sundry on the playing side, but not those who own and run the affairs of the club which has created the decline and the mess that now exists at the club.

Like the late seventies and the early naughties, perhaps the time has for for a change in ownership with better and bigger investment than what the club has now under the present owner who from what I have seen in the last year or so, no longer has the same interest like he had when he first bought the club and it would not surprise me if like Whelan, he is looking at selling the club and retiring.

Wigan is no longer the power it use to be and unlike other local clubs, no Stadium of its own and a declining support and it it is time that some faced up to the reality of the fact .

If that does not happen, I fear for the future of the club as one of the top clubs in Rugby League.

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Blame Lam, blame individual players, install a Trainer in Peet who has less experience as a Coach then Lam, even re-install Wane as Coach who got the same flak from the same people who now blame Lam. All add up to the frustration now being felt by supporters.

Blame all and sundry on the playing side, but not those who own and run the affairs of the club which has created the decline and the mess that now exists at the club.

Like the late seventies and the early naughties, perhaps the time has for for a change in ownership with better and bigger investment than what the club has now under the present owner who from what I have seen in the last year or so, no longer has the same interest like he had when he first bought the club and it would not surprise me if like Whelan, he is looking at selling the club and retiring.

Wigan is no longer the power it use to be and unlike other local clubs, no Stadium of its own and a declining support and it it is time that some faced up to the reality of the fact .

If that does not happen, I fear for the future of the club as one of the top clubs in Rugby League.'"




I read that like “Choose Life” from Trainspotting

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Blame Lam, blame individual players, install a Trainer in Peet who has less experience as a Coach then Lam, even re-install Wane as Coach who got the same flak from the same people who now blame Lam. All add up to the frustration now being felt by supporters.

Blame all and sundry on the playing side, but not those who own and run the affairs of the club which has created the decline and the mess that now exists at the club.

Like the late seventies and the early naughties, perhaps the time has for for a change in ownership with better and bigger investment than what the club has now under the present owner who from what I have seen in the last year or so, no longer has the same interest like he had when he first bought the club and it would not surprise me if like Whelan, he is looking at selling the club and retiring.

Wigan is no longer the power it use to be and unlike other local clubs, no Stadium of its own and a declining support and it it is time that some faced up to the reality of the fact .

If that does not happen, I fear for the future of the club as one of the top clubs in Rugby League.'"


Hear again with the same old post, cut and paste is it?

I ask once again is still no answer from you the multiple times you've been asked before.
Whio is this person with 100million that wants to buy us?

And PS
I blame Lam (I blame IL for not sacking him but that's a different argument) but I certainly wasn't one who blamed Wane
So saying that all the people who want Lam sacked are the same people who wanted Wane gone is just laughable. Another figment of your imagination to try to justify your blame IL/Rads stance.

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I’m not a Clubb/Clark fan, barely behind Bullock to be honest but their presence and experience last night out on the field would have been invaluable IMO. We should have started with Bullock/Singleton with one of or both of Clark/Clubb on the bench to supplement Havard. I’m not for one minute suggesting we’d have won with that pack but perhaps had a better stronghold in the middle of the park.

It’s how he saw our young, inexperienced and frankly weak pack get dominated against an older, stronger and experience pack v Saints and STILL went ahead with it v Leeds. It’s baffling, we’re doing the same things expecting different results. And to come out and say “we’ll come good, it’s not us tonight” as though last night was a one off is delusional at best and just plain Trump-esque lies at worst.

I’m refreshing Twitter repeatedly at the minute hoping for an announcement that he’s gone. Sadly I’d be amazed if it comes, despite the sheer untenability of his position.

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Quote: Jukesays "Hear again with the same old post, cut and paste is it?

I ask once again is still no answer from you the multiple times you've been asked before.
Whio is this person with 100million that wants to buy us?

And PS
I blame Lam (I blame IL for not sacking him but that's a different argument) but I certainly wasn't one who blamed Wane
So saying that all the people who want Lam sacked are the same people who wanted Wane gone is just laughable. Another figment of your imagination to try to justify your blame IL/Rads stance.'"



Here we go again,


Same old Jukesays, have the usual pathetic swipe at me or indeed anyone who dares to say that the club is in a mess under the present ownership. Anyone would think you are related to him with way you defend him and Radlinski.


And where has the figure of 100 million come from as I have never said that, only that the club needs a new and richer owner with a bigger personal fortune than the present 19 million of Lenagan.


Are you saying that is the figure that Lenagan is asking for the club if he sells?


Time that supporters like yourself faced up to the fact that Lenagan as never sacked Lam because he cannot afford anyone better on a bigger contract than what Lam is on with the present poor financial state of the club.


Perhaps, if you and your cronies took off the blinkers, you might see how bad the situation is at the club is now compared to what it used to be when Lenagan bought the club a few seasons ago,

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Perhaps, if you and your cronies took off the blinkers, you might see how bad the situation is at the club is now compared to what it used to be when Lenagan bought the club a few seasons ago,'"


Definitely a Latics fan on a wind up. Has to be.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "Definitely a Latics fan on a wind up. Has to be.'"


He’s not clever enough. Recycles the same old garbage on every post just slightly differently worded.

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And perhaps if all those moaners who post on social media actually attended games the club would be in a better financial position? No they want SOMEONE ELSE to provide backing so that they can sit on their couch/barstool and then moan about something else.
Yes Lenagan and Radlinski have to take some of the blame, the decision not to disclose the sacking of Lam is baffling to me.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "And perhaps if all those moaners who post on social media actually attended games the club would be in a better financial position? No they want SOMEONE ELSE to provide backing so that they can sit on their couch/barstool and then moan about something else.
Yes Lenagan and Radlinski have to take some of the blame, the decision not to disclose the sacking of Lam is baffling to me.'"


So are you saying he has been sacked, or his contract hasn't been renewed? There's a bit of a difference.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "the decision not to disclose the sacking of Lam is baffling to me.'"

Wait, what?!

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "

The 100million is a guesstimate figure because if it cost say 10million to buy the club and they needed to have more than the 20million IL has left then I would say they need to have 50m, 100million whatever to make a significant difference

So I just threw in 100million as that is MORE as I explained din my 1st reply on other threads weeks ago.

Now your last statement, about "you might see how bad the situation is at the club is now compared to what it used to be when Lenagan bought the club a few seasons ago," is interesting.

Do you mean how bad it was under Whealn and Uncle Mo?
And how IL transformed us and took us back to the top of the game (and a WCC) within 10 years including 4 x GFs etc?
Because this is the same man in charge who did that
IMO he deserves a chance to out that right, if he wants to.

I don't agree with everything hes done, I think some of the retention policy has been poor and he certainly messed the Edwards debacle up, which subsequently left us with Lam.

However
Currently hes in charge, hes the owner, and that's not going to change short term.
Hes the one footing the bills, hes the one trying to cut the cloth because the Vocal whinging minority dont put their hands in their pockets to support the club and come up with any excuse not to of which ILs tenure, and even Lam being in charge is just another in a long list of excuses why they won't support the club.

And PS

Here comes Ruddy Duck, the same old whinging about anyone who has a different opinion and portray it as your being victimised. Its amazing how these people who criticise "snowflakes" tend to complain when they're being questioned.

I'm not saying all is well, I'm not saying there aren't major issues
What i am saying is that NONE of that should affect Lam with this current squad of players and the ones hes had for 3 years now.

Hes failed consistantly to get the ebstnout of them week after week
I'll say it again, 10 good performances in his 80/90 games in charge is pathetic.

He blames players
He blames previous players
He blames previous coaches
He blames lack of cohesion
He tells us we're clunky
He tells us we're training well, then we're rubbish on game day
Yet he makes the baffling selections
Hes the one supposed to be improving those players
Hes the one supposed to make the team better than the sum of its parts
Etc etc

Its his job to put that right, end of
If were then not good enough when were playing well then we can look at the reasons for that.

Your from an era were buying new players, sacking them, selling them, getting them from RU or NRL was much easier, so am I
But have the balls to admit that things change, thats why IL was so successful when he changed the way we did things under Whelan and Uncle Mo 2nd time round.
The game again has moved on, maybe IL isn't the right person to take on that fight for the next 10years, but for now hes in charge.

So I ask again
Who is this person with more money than leneghan who is going to buy us in the next 3months?
If you can't give me the answer to that (and you've avoided it for weeks now) then we need to be ready for next year and have the best coach/systems in place and that 100% isn't Lam
Now I know Lam won't be here next year, official or not, there will be people who won't like the new coaching set up, there will be people who will.
One thing for sure, the current man in charge is not the right man and hasn't been for 2 years.

So come on
Are you the person thats going to buy us? Do you know ow who is trying to buy us and IL wont sell???

I won't hold my breathe

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Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
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Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
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Halifax 14 270 405 -135 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
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