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I have to admit I am not his biggest fan. From a number point of view he tends to put up decent meters and lots of tackles, which is great.

My issue is he seems to lack a bit of game smarts when it comes to giving away a penalty tired of seeing him lie on unnecessarily late in the count.

Can't understand how anyone can try to justify his cheap shot on Ratchford. Really poor and a sign of his level as a player.

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I read the first line of your post and then thought it's pointless reading the rest.

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Those sort of late cheap shot happen in every game, can't stand them.

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I don't think he's gone to hurt him, just a bit of frustration. I think he's a player that functions brilliantly in a well oiled, fully operational wigan machine, when there are injuries and he carries more responsibility he struggles. A decent player though, invaluable to a squad.

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I agree it was nothing more than frustration however it was unnecessary. He wasn't committed and could have pulled out. His knee hit the floor and slid in rather than making direct contact which is probably what saved him from further action. It's hardly the crime that some Warrington fans are making it out to be but IMO he should have got 10 mins.

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Cheap shot, I thought Ratchford would have to go off with a dead leg, I suspect if we weren't already 2 men down he would have gone off.

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Quote: Captain Hook "Cheap shot, I thought Ratchford would have to go off with a dead leg, I suspect if we weren't already 2 men down he would have gone off.'"


But he didn't.. So whats your point? If you have a dead leg you DO go off, not negotiable.

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The holding down penalty and sin bin is just something that happens from time to time. Any smart player would have tried to hang on as much as possible at that point because our defence was a mess. Better players have and always will get caught out at times like that.

Sliding in with the knees was just frustration. There was no way he could have avoided contact at that speed but he should have put his hands out first rather than making contact with the knees. It was cheap. Far from the worst thing that will happen in any game but he needs to control himself a little better when things are getting tough.

Can't fault his effort though. Had it not been for those incidents he'd have been one of the few established players to play well.

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Quote: Wigan Peer "But he didn't.. So whats your point? If you have a dead leg you DO go off, not negotiable.'"

My point is the coaching staff wouldn't have risked him staying on (dead leg or not) if we weren't already 2 players down. Credit to Ratchford for not milking it.

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Quote: Cherry.Pie "The holding down penalty and sin bin is just something that happens from time to time. Any smart player would have tried to hang on as much as possible at that point because our defence was a mess. Better players have and always will get caught out at times like that.

Sliding in with the knees was just frustration. There was no way he could have avoided contact at that speed but he should have put his hands out first rather than making contact with the knees. It was cheap. Far from the worst thing that will happen in any game but he needs to control himself a little better when things are getting tough.

Can't fault his effort though. Had it not been for those incidents he'd have been one of the few established players to play well.'"

Look again, the try was scored before Farrell started sliding!

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Quote: Captain Hook "My point is the coaching staff wouldn't have risked him staying on (dead leg or not) if we weren't already 2 players down. Credit to Ratchford for not milking it.'"


I don't think i have defended Farrell in any way, and i hate late cheap shots, which happen in most games BTW. So, he wasn't injured then? Took a knock for certain, but was OBVIOUSLY able to play on, cause he did.

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I rate Farrell highly- he just seems to go through spells in the season when his discipline lets him down.

The late shot on Ratchford was not good and Farrell has form for that- see last years Grand Final.

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Quote: Trainman "I agree it was nothing more than frustration however it was unnecessary. He wasn't committed and could have pulled out. His knee hit the floor and slid in rather than making direct contact which is probably what saved him from further action. It's hardly the crime that some Warrington fans are making it out to be but IMO he should have got 10 mins.'"


What difference does it make if the knee hits the floor and he slides into him? He is still leading with the knees well after the try has been scored. not as if the hitting the ground slows him down. At least you aren't defending the indefensible - 10 minutes would have been the correct punishment (as well as the 8 point try).

Quote: Trainman "Those sort of late cheap shot happen in every Wigan game, can't stand them.'"


Corrected that one for you.

I presume you also think that Willie Isa's tackling technique of leading with the knees also happens in every game?

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Quote: jj86 "What difference does it make if the knee hits the floor and he slides into him? He is still leading with the knees well after the try has been scored. not as if the hitting the ground slows him down. At least you aren't defending the indefensible - 10 minutes would have been the correct punishment (as well as the 8 point try).

Corrected that one for you.

I presume you also think that Willie Isa's tackling technique of leading with the knees also happens in every game?'"


I won't correct your post's, please don't presume to think you have the intellect to improve mine... Try watching and looking without your tinted specs, i have been critical of Farrell, and merely said that it happens in other games. If you disagree fine, but don't be such a grunt as to suggest only we do it...

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Quote: Wigan Peer "I won't correct your post's, please don't presume to think you have the intellect to improve mine... Try watching and looking without your tinted specs, i have been critical of Farrell, and merely said that it happens in other games. If you disagree fine, but don't be such a grunt as to suggest only we do it...'"


Let's just agree that you have form for it. Plus doesn't your coach promote such things?

"I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Be reckless because that's what is going to get us the f****** win next week! Is everybody clear on that?"

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