our forwards are to small except for tony clubb we have no impact off the bench
our centres are awful gelling I mean come on and as for sarginson don't make me laugh
matty smith worse kicker in super league by far in play and conversions how he gets in the
England team is beyond me

our big signings of the past few years
mossop
tautai
isa
is this the best we can do
fair enough the joel and sam are good players to have back
but apart from them ?????


shining lights
Farrell
bateman
clubb

Welcome to the board and great first post!

Now is the time you get placed into your clique via the RL Fans Sorting Hat like on Harry Potter.

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You have been selected to join the 'WANE OUT/LENEGHAN OUT/NON-HAPPY CLAPPER' clique. CONGRATULATIONS!

1 . never watched harry potter and never will
2. never said I wanted wane/leneghan out
instead of makings assumption and categorising me why not put good augment to as why you think I am wrong ???

Good thread this

Soz, marra. Keep your powder dry until after tonight's result though, as the opportunity to do some top class moaning may be just a few hours away

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Welcome Tricky and great way to introduce yourself mate!

Considering our side is so bad, it's a wonder we did the double a couple of years ago and made the last 3 grand finals!

However, I agree in part with some aspects of your post.

Clubb is a very good signing and making a great prop. I do believe though that Flower is also a great prop and I'm glad we have him for the next 4 years. Crosby and Mossop are also good props on their day but need to find an injury free period of good form.

Matty Smith is a good game occasionally but I agree it isn't often enough.

If Sarginson finds the form that got him into the England squad he's a very dangerous attacking threat but needs to be better in the one to one tackles. I'm a fan of Gelling. He's prone to the odd brain fart or two but overall he eats up the ground and must be very hard to play against.

Overall, when you consider those missing from the team at the moment we are still able to field what looks like a decent squad for tonight.

To be fair I personally think this is one of the worst Wigan sides I've seen in a long while.

BUT

The standard of SL at the moment is at an all time low & the two go hand in hand.

The team is good enough to win something this year. That doesn't however mean it's OK to be that far behind the Australians

Well said Tricky, welcome to the moaners club of Wigan RL ( alias the UKIP of the club, no power but growing ).
I agree with some of your points, but beg to differ when you say Joel is a good player, he has shown nothing like the consistency of the form he had before he went to RU.
The jury is still out on Sam, you are not out of the game for 6/7 months for nothing, Williams with another halfback partner to take a bit of weight off him would in my opinion improve him a lot.
Flower in my opinion is our best prop.
As for Sarge and Gelling, both I think could be good players if the Wigan attack wasn't so flat (lost count of how many times I have said that).
If we didn't lie so flat it would give the centres a bit of room to get a bit of speed and space going forward instead of having defenders in their face when they receive the ball.

Great points, well made!
Glad to see the finer details of the game don't pass you by.

Sometimes, I wish I didn't have eyes.

Hi all, my take on our team

FB - When he returns hopefully Sam will provide a bit of x-factor and give the opposition a bit more to think about. He has evolved as a player since he broke into the scene and I'd be looking for him to take some pressure off the halves.

Wingers - We are pretty strong there

Centres - Both decent players but nothing special

Halves - Smith is struggling and has been for a while.
I think he is carrying Williams a bit and has too much responsibility in terms of organisation. The change was noticeable since he lost Green as his partner. Williams is still raw, should never have been selected for England. Time will tell how good he can be.

Props - Flower is top class and Clubb offers decent impact. The rest are fairly average, I'm still hoping Mossop can find the form of 4 or 5 years ago when he was knocking on England's door. We are short of a genuine big bloke IMO.

Hooker - I like MM but I feel we need a bench hooker who can offer something different. Someone with a bit of pace and a running threat, Powell just doesn't do it for me as an interchange for MM.

Back row - Very strong, no issues there.

Over all we are a good side but nothing out of the ordinary but only a two or three of players away from dominating the league. The biggest change I'd like to see is to tactics. Structures can work but we need to offer an alternative to give the defences something different to think about. IMO the alternative is an offload game. Some come off, others don't but they give an opportunity to run at a broken defence.

That is easily solved simply take a sharp implement say a knife or even a pencil will do the trick and gouge out you own eye hey presto wish come true . Just call me the genie

Even with our injured players back we are not a very good team.

We have a great chance of silverware this year though because we are the best of a bad bunch. The standard in SL has dropped off alarmingly in recent years. Just think how much better our 2010 side was than any current SL side.

It could be worse, we could be saints.....