Used to look forward to watching Wigan play? I used to go to work on a Monday looking forward to my fix be it on tv or when I get across for a live match. Now I feel totally lethargic about our fixtures. Very little excitement very little enthusiasm.

In an entertainment industry hopefully I am on my own as if not revenues could be hit going forward.

I'm with you on this. I've been a fan since 1965 but I don't get the same buzz lately.

I went to Warrington tonight and thank God we had two weeks to prepare otherwise we may have been crap.

Entertainment factor has long gone. I saw someone before say everything is fine as we're in the top 4 but the performances have been awful. How many times this season can we safely say that we have performed excellently? Even Salford at home was a struggle despite us winning so results arent the be all and end all.

Watching us set up for our standard 'shift it to the winger with props acting as dummys' play is now painful to watch. We were sussed out for this over 12 months ago. Our players have no confidence and arent even showing the traditional Wane-esque aggression any more.

As ive said on another post, its the same problems evident in every loss and throughou this season1. When McIlorum is off the pitch our intensity drops alarmingly.

2. Our forwards arent big enough. Radlinski has himself acknowledged this at fans forum but so far we've seen no action being taken to address the issue.

3. Williams only plays well one in five games. He's inconsistent for too much of the season.

The Salford performance kicked me in the nuts it was that bad.
Tonight I shrugged my shoulders.
I genuinely believe we only have about 6 decent players the rest are fodder at best and stealing a living on the whole.
The "keeps" in the 17 tonight for me are
Manfredi
Williams - he was awful tonight but I still think he can make it
Sutton
MM
Farrell
Burgess - I know he going but I wish he wasn't.

The rest are useless Gelling, Sarginson, Patrick and Tautai or spineless Mossop, Crosby and Tomkins with the remainder average or in the case of Flower a spent force.
I've just read that again it's very harsh but on reflection it accurately sums up my feelings this past two weeks.
So in answer to your question you are not alone.

Only been to 5 away games this year, Hull KR, Cas, Leeds, Stains and Wire. To me (who has watched Wigan since mid 1970s) our team look overtrained. Take tonight, not played for 13 days, Wire - played 5 days ago in a tough cup quarter final. After 20 mins we were shattered, Wire running around stifling our predictable attempts in attack, so enthusiastic. We need to go back, build a completely new pack that can dominate, and have an attacking plan with more than the current predictable rubbish.

As I've said on another post, I don't get to many matches these days, but I had the misfortune to be at both Salford and Warrington. Will I be at future games? No, not until attitudes, from the top down, change. IL doesn't seen to be "hands on", Rads - don't know what he does, Wane needs to read a coaching manual, the players need to collectively grow a pair (or two).

Will we get to the GF and win it? Hope so, but very, very much doubt it. I am not even sure whether we will be in the top 4 at the split.

In reply to Itchy, I think you're being kind, personally on tonight's performance, I would only keep Manfredi, Sutton, & MM

You are not on your own jonh. I have been a season ticket holder since 1977 and I just don't get the same buzz anymore. I have become so disillusioned with the performances on show that I don't look forward to games as I am never sure what we are going to see. Sad really but that's the way it is for me at the moment.

Aside from Burgess, there isn't one player in that team who I class as exciting, I used to record games when I was younger and would often watch games, I haven't done that in years.

There are no characters anymore, no flair players, just robots who all look and play the game. The game just seems to want 13bsecond rowers on the pitch winning collisions and dominating the ground and then running through a few set moves like it's American football. It's immensely boring and not entertaining at all.

I would add Manfredi and Bowen to that equation the latter not always for the right reasons.

Years ago, I used to apply a thing I called the Crunch Test. It was just a bit of fun, but during the Ian Millward era it didn't make happy reading at all.

If you work on the following basis, A - World Class, B - Excellent, C - Good/Okay, D - Average/Poor, E - Unacceptable, how does the current team measure up? Here is what I'd consider Wigan's most experienced 1st 17 this season, and what we're getting from them in 2015.

1 Matty Bowen - C
2 Dom Manfredi - B
3 Dan Sarginson - C
4 Anthony Gelling - D
5 Joe Burgess - B
6 George Williams - C
7 Matty Smith - D
8 Ben Flower - C
9 Mick McIlorum - B
10 Tony Clubb - C
11 Liam Farrell - C
12 John Bateman - B
13 Sean O'Loughlin - D

14 Ryan Hampshire - C
15 Joel Tomkins - D
16 Lee Mossop - E
17 Talima Tautai - E

Let's face it, man for man we are a very ordinary team. How we've been so near the top of the table for so long could be one of the great mysteries of 2015.

I couldn't agree more with Jonh's original post. I'd been looking forward to that game all week and they serve up a performance like that. Also, even taking in Cruncher's assessment of individual performance levels ( for me Joel is the best second rower we have, but I digress) if we played "proper rugby", i.e. Pack sets the platform, halves exploit that to make opportunities for the backs, etc we may not be any higher in the league but at least I would be a happier spectator. This current style is turning me off in a big way. I do not want to see Sarginson et al taking drive after drive as the props rotate on and off having done nothing.
I don't know if Wane may be under threat and have supported him in the past but, truth is, I don't want to watch this style of play and if a new coach changed that.....

I don't disagree with you at all. My assessment was based on this season's form - for whatever reason, i.e. Joel being out of position for most of it, Lockers being finished etc - rather than their normal standard. But last night was near enough the last straw for me. Our forwards are very substandard and our halves like a pair of headless chickens (mainly because one has been promoted way ahead of himself, while the other lacks many of the basic tools anyway). Add to that our centres, which has been a weak area for Wigan since George Carmont left, and what do we have left?

Whatever happens in the remainder of this season, it will be difficult to avoid remembering the number of occasions (and last night was only the latest), when the opposition got a bit of fire in their belly and Wigan totally collapsed as a result. And yet only last season we were supposedly the brutal team who everyone feared. Talk about embarrassing.

Think you are right with that assessment except for the two centres where for me it's an E for the pair of them.

I can see why they are popular with fans in that they put in a lot of effort but I don't think they have a clue at how to play as centres. Gelling simply plays his own game regardless of the rest of the team. It's not off the cuff stuff it's just poor. He looks good running over weak sides but is all over the place positionally.

Sarge is a defensive liability and is another who lives in a world of his own. Compare his on-field awareness awareness to that of Budgie. Budgie is going to be great player because not only has he got the physical attributes he got the rugby brain to go with it. It stands out a mile and it also highlights Sarge hasn't got this "X" factor.

They are both Wane type players though. They will train the house down all week and that is good enough for him. Sarge would probably jump in the fire if Wane told him to. Gells is a bit of a laugh with his BMX antics but this doesn't make up for his failings.

I am sure someone will say they are young and inexperienced (so why go with such inexperience in both 1st choice centre slots?) but that implies they are going to improve and I doubt they will. Certainly not under Wane IMO.

You seem to have forgotten one crucial fact when grading the above. This is the first back line in Super League history which has kept a relegation-level pack not only in the hunt - but the top 3.

That has to stand for something.

See you in a week smugwimp