FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > Expanded world club challenge a good idea?
21 posts in 2 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps
pk
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member2908No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2553.gif
I've seen them bomb a quarter final, bottle a semi final, finish as league leaders, but I've still, never, seen the Wire win the league Doom and gloom, doom and gloom:2553.gif



rlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/21520756rl

sinfield talks it up in this thread says he thinks 3 teams from each country could be a good idea.

got me thinking that this could in some way make some sense of our system at the minute - eg our 3 teams to take part could be the grand final winners and the next 2 highest placed teams from the regular league season. thereby gives teams incentive for the weekly rounds knowing that even if they dont make the gf they can still have the excitment of a shot at the wcc.

what do people think?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1610
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
15483.jpg
:15483.jpg



Whilst it looks like a good idea on paper I think there are issues around it which would need to be addressed.

Would it be a round robin or a straight knock out type competition and where would it fit into the current schedule,when to play the games ? It is currently the Aussie pre-season so I would not be surprised if they were keen to have three teams play the games at this time of year. A one-off game is much more easily accommodated as at present.

There is also the cost implications for the travel, prize money etc - without a sponsor willing to fund it I doubt clubs would be willing to pay all the costs themselves.

Sadly I suspect it will not get beyond a dream - I do like the idea especially as it could give some more incentive to the top three teams - or perhaps it could feature the two grand final teams and the CC winner? Either way I do not expect to see it anytime soon icon_sad.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg
Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper. Big Steve wrote: The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them. aboveusonlypie... If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.:icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg



RL Chatback talked of a three game "test series". Just three games over a weekend.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Dec 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
61641_1313077623.png
[color=#FF0000:18ol665r]A Pie is for life, not just a Wembley Final[/color:18ol665r]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_61641.png



you miss the point, the GF winners would be the only ones to play to become World Club Champions, the other 2 teams from NRL and SL would be basically playing a friendly for a bit of cash...end of......

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach29590
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10919_1322084665.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10919.jpg



I read Lenagan going on about 1st vs 1st, 2nd vs 2nd and 3rd vs 3rd which is a concept I just don't understand. Pie Warrior is correct that we'd then basically just have 1 WCC game and 2 friendlies and I don't see why we would even bother trying to get that format off the ground.

It surely has to be a comp based around 6 teams like the play offs used to be or nothing at all. The turnaround between games would probably have to be 3 or 4 days but that part of the challenge.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1072
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2022Jan 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: pie.warrior "you miss the point, the GF winners would be the only ones to play to become World Club Champions, the other 2 teams from NRL and SL would be basically playing a friendly for a bit of cash...end of......'"


If that was to be the format then I would say don't bother as it wouldn't be a proper expansion of the WCC. It would just be the same as the daft tournament that some Championship teams were involved in last year with french teams (which IIRC Batley declined to bother with).

If the WCC was ever to include 6 teams then either 1) a knockout (with the SL and NRL GF winners getting a first round bye) or 2) a competition split into two pools where the two pool winners go to the final would have to be the formats. Like the playoffs every qualifying team has to have a chance of lifting the trophy at the end otherwise there is no point.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1007No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
63362_1317664225.jpg
[b:35jm31e6][color=#FF0040:35jm31e6]Formerly known as Moonlight Flit[/color:35jm31e6][/b:35jm31e6]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_63362.jpg



Do they mean like what we had a few years back when the shortlived Hunter Mariners played over here ?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1708No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200817 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2015Oct 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
36409_1319997811.jpg
A purple patch inspired on his home ground by man of the match WIGAN CAPTAIN Sean O’Loughlin produced three tries in an eight-minute spell just before half-time, and the GB Lions added two more after the break to maintain Smith’s 100 per cent record as Great Britain coach. Sat 27th April 2002 St Helens 12 Wigan 21 Edinburgh - Sat 4th May 2002 Celtic 2 Rangers 3 Glasgow (Carlsberg dont do weeks, but if they did.....) //www.internationalrugbyleague.net/:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_36409.jpg



in theory its a good idea but wasnt it tried and tested in the late 90's..?

id love to go to Australia watching Wigan

RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Dec 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
61641_1313077623.png
[color=#FF0000:18ol665r]A Pie is for life, not just a Wembley Final[/color:18ol665r]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_61641.png



one of my best memories, going to Brisbane with Skerret and Platt missing and beating the broncos on their own turf.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Dec 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
61641_1313077623.png
[color=#FF0000:18ol665r]A Pie is for life, not just a Wembley Final[/color:18ol665r]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_61641.png



how popular would the grand fina seriesl be if the teams in first and 2nd played in the final and those 3rd to 8th played each other for nothing......it would be 1 well attended match and 3 that 1 man and his dog would be at.....

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg
Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper. Big Steve wrote: The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them. aboveusonlypie... If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.:icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg



Quote: pie.warrior "how popular would the grand fina seriesl be if the teams in first and 2nd played in the final and those 3rd to 8th played each other for nothing......it would be 1 well attended match and 3 that 1 man and his dog would be at.....'"


I'm willing for you to shoot me down, your tone thus far suggests you might, but i for one would be more than keen to watch Wigan play any antipodean team from their top 3.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1704
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Dec 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
61641_1313077623.png
[color=#FF0000:18ol665r]A Pie is for life, not just a Wembley Final[/color:18ol665r]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_61641.png



I would love to watch Wigan play an Antipodean team in a match that meant something and that both teams were busting a gut to win.....

Some of the friendlies that I watched this early year were exactly that, a run out with sod all at stake

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg
Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper. Big Steve wrote: The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them. aboveusonlypie... If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.:icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg



Quote: pie.warrior "I would love to watch Wigan play an Antipodean team in a match that meant something and that both teams were busting a gut to win.....

Some of the friendlies that I watched this early year were exactly that, a run out with sod all at stake'"


I suspect there would be buggerall friendly about it..

RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
26.jpg
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20 Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18:26.jpg

Moderator


It should be restricted to two teams from each league. The GF winners and the LLS winners (minor premiers in Oz). If they are one and the same then the team finishing 2nd in the league.

The format should be 1 v 2 from each league (GB GF winners v Oz Minor prems and Oz GF winners v GB LLS) and winners into the WCC final.

If this or other genuine knock out formats are out of favour because they only want teams to play one game then expanding the "WCC" would be completely pointless as others have said.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg
Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper. Big Steve wrote: The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them. aboveusonlypie... If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.:icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg



As some have decided that any view other than theirs is ridiculous i will finish on these points

A 4 team knockout has the danger of resulting in a AusvAus final. If you use more teams in either a round robin or knockout comp, the time needed would just make our seasons too long with our leagues in their current format. Much as i would love to watch either of these scenarios, time and money will make them a no-go.

Imo

21 posts in 2 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps
21 posts in 2 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.203125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rumours thread
Wollo-Wollo-
2081
2m
Squads - Tigers v Leopards
LeythIg
8
6m
Whitehaven
Wollo-Wollo-
30
7m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
39850
8m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
62198
9m
Film game
Wanderer
3263
12m
Hudds
RfE
14
24m
Todays match v Saints
Boss Hog
83
30m
Reserves Grand Final
Stu M
7
56m
Max
PopTart
2
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
24s
Squads - Tigers v Leopards
LeythIg
8
28s
Call for funds
Bubba
70
32s
Play offs
newcat
2
35s
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
62198
36s
TV Games - Not Hull
bonaire
2658
39s
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
39850
40s
Leeds Rhinos - Away
bonaire
182
40s
Todays match v Saints
Boss Hog
83
43s
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
4795
48s
Reserves Grand Final
Stu M
7
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Max
PopTart
2
TODAY
Play-offs
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Highlights v Whitehaven
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Play offs
newcat
2
TODAY
George Williams
Howfenwire
2
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off London Challenge
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford Close In On The Play Offs As Dragons Crisis Continues
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Batley v Dons - Sunday 8 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
Staying down after head contact
The games af
5
TODAY
Broncos Ladies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
OT players staying down but staying on after treatment
djcool
5
TODAY
Hull live/Tomlinson
jimmyfivebel
12
TODAY
Todays match v Saints
Boss Hog
83
TODAY
New England RL shirt
The Curtism
2
TODAY
Reserves Grand Final
Stu M
7
TODAY
Shareholder meetings
Dunkirk Spir
2
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth After Defeating Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six After Destroying Hull FC
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
237
Salford Close In On The Play O..
209
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
339
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
346
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
464
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
682
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
832
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
958
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
996
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1030
Five Into Three - Our Top Six ..
1620
Leigh Leopards Lay Claim To Pl..
1156
Salford Up To Fourth After Dem..
1550
Hull KR Embarrass Saints As Th..
1231
Rhinos Sweep Past the Dragons ..
1288
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M +23,331 80,11314,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Fri 13th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R28
10:50
Penrith
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R28
07:05
Melbourne
v
Cronulla
10:50
NQL Cowboys
v
Newcastle
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R28
07:05
Canterbury
v
Manly
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 13th Sep
SL
20:00
Leigh-Hull KR
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Castleford
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leeds
Sat 14th Sep
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Salford
SL
20:00
Catalans-LondonB
Sun 15th Sep
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Fri 20th Sep
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Leeds
SL
20:00
Leigh-St.Helens
SL
20:00
Warrington-LondonB
SL
20:00
Wigan-Salford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 8th Sep
SL 25 Huddersfield22-16LondonB
WSL2024 13 LeedsW52-12FeatherstoneW
WSL2024 13 BarrowW24-4Hudds W
WSL2024 13 WiganW12-16York V
CH 25 Batley0-38Doncaster
CH 25 Halifax34-6Dewsbury
CH 25 Sheffield12-30Bradford
CH 25 Swinton28-8Featherstone
CH 25 Wakefield60-6Whitehaven
CH 25 Widnes6-12York
NRL 27 Manly20-40Cronulla
NRL 27 Newcastle14-6Dolphins
Sat 7th Sep
SL 25 Warrington16-2St.Helens
SL 25 Salford27-12Catalans
WSL2024 13 Wire W0-98St.HelensW
CH 25 Barrow24-36Toulouse
NRL 27 St.George24-26Canberra
NRL 27 Canterbury6-44NQL Cowboys
NRL 27 Penrith18-12Gold Coast
Fri 6th Sep
SL 25 Castleford12-34Leigh
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 25 619 336 283 40
Hull KR 25 669 311 358 38
Warrington 25 618 319 299 36
Salford 25 492 479 13 30
Leigh 25 548 362 186 29
St.Helens 25 544 366 178 28
 
Leeds 25 514 424 90 28
Catalans 25 439 415 24 26
Huddersfield 25 434 582 -148 18
Castleford 25 411 661 -250 15
Hull FC 25 320 812 -492 6
LondonB 25 309 850 -541 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 23 872 252 620 44
Bradford 23 602 359 243 30
Toulouse 22 624 322 302 29
Widnes 23 499 403 96 27
York 24 609 419 190 26
Featherstone 23 560 452 108 26
 
Sheffield 23 574 466 108 26
Doncaster 23 440 513 -73 21
Halifax 23 457 579 -122 20
Batley 23 364 497 -133 20
Barrow 22 384 634 -250 17
Swinton 23 418 590 -172 16
Whitehaven 23 400 772 -372 16
Dewsbury 24 292 793 -501 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rumours thread
Wollo-Wollo-
2081
2m
Squads - Tigers v Leopards
LeythIg
8
6m
Whitehaven
Wollo-Wollo-
30
7m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
39850
8m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
62198
9m
Film game
Wanderer
3263
12m
Hudds
RfE
14
24m
Todays match v Saints
Boss Hog
83
30m
Reserves Grand Final
Stu M
7
56m
Max
PopTart
2
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
24s
Squads - Tigers v Leopards
LeythIg
8
28s
Call for funds
Bubba
70
32s
Play offs
newcat
2
35s
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
62198
36s
TV Games - Not Hull
bonaire
2658
39s
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
39850
40s
Leeds Rhinos - Away
bonaire
182
40s
Todays match v Saints
Boss Hog
83
43s
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
4795
48s
Reserves Grand Final
Stu M
7
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Max
PopTart
2
TODAY
Play-offs
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Highlights v Whitehaven
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Play offs
newcat
2
TODAY
George Williams
Howfenwire
2
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off London Challenge
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford Close In On The Play Offs As Dragons Crisis Continues
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Batley v Dons - Sunday 8 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
Staying down after head contact
The games af
5
TODAY
Broncos Ladies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
OT players staying down but staying on after treatment
djcool
5
TODAY
Hull live/Tomlinson
jimmyfivebel
12
TODAY
Todays match v Saints
Boss Hog
83
TODAY
New England RL shirt
The Curtism
2
TODAY
Reserves Grand Final
Stu M
7
TODAY
Shareholder meetings
Dunkirk Spir
2
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth After Defeating Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six After Destroying Hull FC
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
237
Salford Close In On The Play O..
209
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
339
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
346
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
464
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
682
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
832
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
958
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
996
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1030
Five Into Three - Our Top Six ..
1620
Leigh Leopards Lay Claim To Pl..
1156
Salford Up To Fourth After Dem..
1550
Hull KR Embarrass Saints As Th..
1231
Rhinos Sweep Past the Dragons ..
1288


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!