So many different opinions on the younger of the lads... How do you think there doing?

S.Tomkins - He's a bit quieter than last season, possibly because teams are now more aware of him. Now he needs to work out how to be effective even when they're gunning for him.
McIllorum - He's going well and it's good to see him holding down a first team spot. I love his enthusiasm, I hope he's learning lots of tricks from Riddell, who won't be here forever.
Ainscough - Been sent from pillar to post and now in trouble for fighting. I think he'll make a brilliant player but don't think it'll be here sadly.
Mossop - He's not in the team as often as I'd like but his presence is awesome, always seems to win the collision. I think he's better suited to prop though and will probably move there eventually.
Goulding - In the form of his life, he started the season playing for a new contract and by half way he's made the 2 shirt his own. I don't even think he's out of position on the wing, he looks way better there.
Farrell - Massive start to the season from him and it'll be very tough to decide who to drop when Hansen returns.
Davies - Going well at Blackpool apparently, he'll get his chance as Fielden and Coley get closer to retirement and Maguire continues to rotate the props.
Marsh - I was impressed with him v Hudds, he looked a bit nervous at the start but soon settled in, he could do with putting on a bit of weight though.
Mellor - Been injured, hope he recovers soon.
Tuson - Had a decent game v Cas but I don't see him making the team again any time soon, six back rowers in front of him and only one of them looks like going anywhere in the next few years.
Vievers - Going well at Blackpool apparently, I don't see him getting his shot any time soon though, too many players in their prime in front of him
Charnley - See above
Walker - Got through plenty tackles v Harlequins, didn't let us down at all. Don't see where his next game will come from though, but then again I didn't see his debut coming either.
Thornley - Not seen anything of him, his college commitments have probably put him behind a bit.
Holland - Not seen anything of him, he's getting old for a young player though, already over age for the academy and the player in front of him (Davies) hasn't made his debut yet, I guess he'd have to overtake Ben Davies if he wants to make it here.

Thats all very interesting Grimmy but I'm more interested in who has the lowest percentage of body fat at the club. Anyone know?

I'm stumped .....

I know the lowest is 3.5%, second lowest is 5%.

Davies is at Widnes not Blackpool. Holland is at Blackpool

Pfft, it's all foreign to me once you get past Billinge.

As I understand it, some people are still using the outdated statistics that show Walker as holding that position, whereas in fact new data shows Palea'asina now with the lowest.

Feka may now have the lowest body fat count now, but he's just lost out to Piggy in the gravy level count.

I've got to say that some of the people on here have very short memories. Just because everything has been going well this season, people seem to forget the impact some of our younger players have had previously.

Last season between them Sam and Shaun Ainscough kickstarted our run to the playoff semi final in the game against Harlequins. Yet because of his impact on the salary cap should he play a certain number of games Ainscough was dropped, whilst being the leading scorer in SL. This season unfortunately hasn't gone too well for him; he went to Cas where he had a fantastic debut but ended up playing in a team with some serious issues, who were going through a terrible run of form. He came back and played in possibly our worst performance of the season, playing outside a centre who looks like his running days are behind him and forgot how to tackle on the night.

We are currently blessed with the most potent and exciting attacking back line up in SL, for heavens sake last season's best fb can't get a start but there are clearly going to be a few changes over the next three seasons - Gleeson and Carmont aren't getting any younger, Roberts and Pat will I believe eventually head back down-under and Phelps I would expect to leave at the end of this season.

Ainscough would run through a brick wall for Wigan Warriors, I truly think that he is still one of the most exciting prospects in the game and I am certain that under the guidance of Rads and Mags he will improve the defensive side of his game. Some of us on here seem to have slipped into the midset that because we are Wigan we have a God given right to perfection. (It was KP under the kosh a few weeks back and Goulding before him!) It seems to me that a few of us like nothing better than to moan and unfortunately for Shaun he's the target at the moment.

I will end by saying that I hope Shaun Ainscough is a Wigan player for a long time to come, the lad is an out and out try scorer but is also a 'rough diamond', who requires some guidance from his coaches. And whilst I'm on cliches for all of the haters out there - I will end with this

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The reason Ainscough was dropped had nothing to do with any extra payments due to him after he had played so many games.

Roberts has another 2 years on his contract I think and I truly believe Pat will end his career here at Wigan. Best thing for Shaun is that Phelps leaves at the end of season, allowing Roberts to move to FB and Ainscough to take his place. However is Phelps stays remains at FB next year, Ainscough will not be moving either Roberts or Pat from the wings.

Just depends if Ainscough is patient enough to wait for his turn to come and in the meantime keep going out on loan, or unless he wants guaranteed 1st team rugby starting from next year.

Ainscough also has Josh Charnley competing for that wing place. I suspect that Charnley is more of a Maguire type winger, bigger and faster.

Rogues what do you think is likely to happen regarding Veivers? Is it possible for him to come in at FB and have Roberts and Richards on the wings, or is the better option Roberts at FB and Richards and Charnley/Ainscough on the wing?