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After last night I think I'm more of a Noble Doubter than ever. I just can't see him taking this team any further. 3 wins from 9 with this squad simply isn't good enough.

Yet again the Wigan players proved that they can be competitive against a top side, despite a shocking start to the season overall.

Yet again we appear to have very few moves and to be poorly organised in attack.

If the failure of Wigan to deliver more consistent performances and to be better organised in attack isn't BN's responsiblity then whose is it? I'd really like to hear this from the Noble Defenders. (And please, no Lockers Knockers claiming everything is our captain's fault!).

At the end of the day BN is the coach and this side simply does not look well coached.

The rumours are that a search for a replacement is already underway but that we will have to wait until the off-season. This means that this season is likely to be a write-off, I hope I'm wrong but I can't see us getting a result at Wakey in the CC, which for me in reality will be the end of our season this year: we are just going to finish too low in the table to be able to mount a successful challenge for the GF (assuming of course that we even finish in the top 8, which is doubtful at the moment icon_surprised.gifops: ).

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Quote: Deano G " This means that this season is likely to be a write-off, I hope I'm wrong but I can't see us getting a result at Wakey in the CC, which for me in reality will be the end of our season this year: we are just going to finish too low in the table to be able to mount a successful challenge for the GF (assuming of course that we even finish in the top 8, which is doubtful at the moment
Surely the answer is simple then. Wait till the end of the year and see if what you think happens and then if it does make a judgement.

Noble's contract is till the end of the year, untill then he should be supported.

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I agree. Last night showed up the lack of attacking and defensive organisation we need to kick on. The players as individuals can not be faulted on last nights efforts (well almost, some did better than others but that is normal).

This is the coaches responsibility. The credit for getting close to a win goes to the players not the coach.

Dave

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



Quote: MadDogg "Surely the answer is simple then. Wait till the end of the year and see if what you think happens and then if it does make a judgement.

Noble's contract is till the end of the year, untill then he should be supported.'"


I don't think we'll have to wait till the end of the year, our season could effectively be over within a month at this rate.

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Quote: DaveO "I agree. Last night showed up the lack of attacking and defensive organisation we need to kick on. The players as individuals can not be faulted on last nights efforts (well almost, some did better than others but that is normal).

This is the coaches responsibility. The credit for getting close to a win goes to the players not the coach.

Dave'"


This is the same defence that we struggled to break down that Leeds couldn't get a sniff of breaking down... Saints are a very, very good defensive unit under Potter.

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Well we will have to break a few omelettes and build a few eggs then.

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Quote: Memony "This is the same defence that we struggled to break down that Leeds couldn't get a sniff of breaking down... Saints are a very, very good defensive unit under Potter.'"


True. But we did all the right things to make a lot of good field position last night - a good long kicking game and great defence to restrict Saints to their own half for long periods - but basically we look clueless in good field position. IMO that's down to poor coaching. And if we're honest, it's been the same story for the last couple of years. Time for a change I think.

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The tactics last night should have been for Hock and Feka to run at the young lads especially Eastmond with Phelps and Tommy backing up for the offload.

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I'm not a Noble defender normally, but to play devil's advocate on this, I thought the tactics last night were spot on. We made more than enough breaks to win the game, but poor execution/passing options let us down. To be fair to Noble it's not his fault that Roberts drops the ball or doesn't put his foot through it when clear to the line, or Lulu/Riddell don't pass when there are runners next to them.

I agree that the options near the line are limited, but earlier this season we weren't making a single break down the middle & last night we managed it a fair few times. It was also a long way from the 5 drives & a kick which we suffered through against Wakey, Cas & Hudds. Honestly think things are slowly improving.

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Absolute rubbish. We played very well last night and had we had a bit more luck/composure/experience would of beaten Saints. Do not lose sight of the fact that Saints have just dismantled Leeds at Headingly and are the best team in the comp by far.

The problem for Wigan last night was when Ainscough got that second try we got too carried away as a team thinking we had won it. Saints managed to get into a good position and scored one try from a error by Carmont (rushing out of defence) and then another try by a speculative bomb. Luckily the ball came free and Pryce was in the right place at the right time-game over. Had we took all our chances then we would of been out of sight anyway but thats the way Rugby League goes.

To keep bringing up the early season losses does no good for anybody. Weve lost those games now and theres no amount of moaning will alter the past.

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Quote: JohnP "

I agree that the options near the line are limited, '"


They are but they are slowly getting better. The signing of Gleeson will allow Noble to get some combinations going down our right. Lets be honest, Hock and Carmont work fantastic together down the left but our right hand side has lacked any real punch. Once Gleeson gets to know the players around him and they get to know him we will have options on both sides. We also have to remember that Tomkins and Tommy will only improve as time goes on.

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Quote: Deano G "After last night I think I'm more of a Noble Doubter than ever. I just can't see him taking this team any further. 3 wins from 9 with this squad simply isn't good enough.

Yet again the Wigan players proved that they can be competitive against a top side, despite a shocking start to the season overall.

Yet again we appear to have very few moves and to be poorly organised in attack.

If the failure of Wigan to deliver more consistent performances and to be better organised in attack isn't BN's responsiblity then whose is it? I'd really like to hear this from the Noble Defenders. (And please, no Lockers Knockers claiming everything is our captain's fault!).

At the end of the day BN is the coach and this side simply does not look well coached.

The rumours are that a search for a replacement is already underway but that we will have to wait until the off-season. This means that this season is likely to be a write-off, I hope I'm wrong but I can't see us getting a result at Wakey in the CC, which for me in reality will be the end of our season this year: we are just going to finish too low in the table to be able to mount a successful challenge for the GF (assuming of course that we even finish in the top 8, which is doubtful at the moment

stop talking crap we played very well last night a broke the line more last night than we have all season saints on the line defnce was awsome

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Quote: Red Hot Jalapeno "Absolute rubbish. We played very well last night and had we had a bit more luck/composure/experience would of beaten Saints. Do not lose sight of the fact that Saints have just dismantled Leeds at Headingly and are the best team in the comp by far.

The problem for Wigan last night was when Ainscough got that second try we got too carried away as a team thinking we had won it. Saints managed to get into a good position and scored one try from a error by Carmont (rushing out of defence) and then another try by a speculative bomb. Luckily the ball came free and Pryce was in the right place at the right time-game over. Had we took all our chances then we would of been out of sight anyway but thats the way Rugby League goes.

To keep bringing up the early season losses does no good for anybody. Weve lost those games now and theres no amount of moaning will alter the past.'"


At last a sensible post.
We all wish we hadnt lost the early games, but anybody that cant see the improvements must just have an agenda or axe to grind.

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Quote: Deano G "I don't think we'll have to wait till the end of the year, our season could effectively be over within a month at this rate.'"


It's not getting rid of him before the end of the season that could be difficult, it's replacing him before then.

I too feel that Noble has taken us as far as he's capable, and that the club should act accordingly. But we have to get the right person to replace him, and that may take time.

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Grr get behind Noble and the team, then if he leaves forget him if you want but while he is at Wigan I am behind him and the team 100%

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