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| What if a half back drop kicks it sideways, the winger is in acres of space, scores. Bring it back for a knock on?
I'm being pedantic of course. But come on! This is a discussion board - at least provide an argument. Thurston grubbered thru for one of the tries in origin on wednesday. He took that one on the half volley too - knock on wasn't mentioned at all. Grey area - as highlighted by Cummings comments the other night. Expect McGuire did it just to exploit the inconsistent rule book. What a cheat :-s
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| Quote: McRhino "What if a half back drop kicks it sideways, the winger is in acres of space, scores. Bring it back for a knock on?
I'm being pedantic of course. But come on! This is a discussion board - at least provide an argument. Thurston grubbered thru for one of the tries in origin on wednesday. He took that one on the half volley too - knock on wasn't mentioned at all. Grey area - as highlighted by Cummings comments the other night. Expect McGuire did it just to exploit the inconsistent rule book. What a cheat
There is no grey area where knock-ons are concerned. Whatever Eddie and Stevo or even Stuart Cummins say, a knock-on is a knock-on.
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| An alien arrives in Wigan. He's heard about how good wigan are at rugby league, but doesn't know the rules. How would you explain what a knock on is?
(repeat for drop kick)
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| Quote: McRhino "An alien arrives in Wigan. He's heard about how good wigan are at rugby league, but doesn't know the rules. How would you explain what a knock on is?
(repeat for drop kick)'"
Just wait until the new era that Cummins has just ushered in gets going - when every player who drops the ball then shoes it forward and tries to claim it was a drop-kick. That'll confuse your alien alright.
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| Quote: McRhino "What if a half back drop kicks it sideways, the winger is in acres of space, scores. Bring it back for a knock on?
I'm being pedantic of course. But come on! This is a discussion board - at least provide an argument. Thurston grubbered thru for one of the tries in origin on wednesday. He took that one on the half volley too - knock on wasn't mentioned at all. Grey area - as highlighted by Cummings comments the other night. Expect McGuire did it just to exploit the inconsistent rule book. What a cheat
So in using that explanation we might as well abolish the knock-on? Because according to that theory if say a prop taking the ball in with a loose carry happens to drop the ball BUT sticks his foot out and hits it after the bounce, he can say he was going for a kick through/drop goal? Come on!
McGuire dropped the ball in a loose carry, he did try to save it at the last minute, but failed. No try everyday of the week IMO.
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| Tempted to say abolish the half-volleyed grubber (since its a knock on by that logic), but then its quite an attractive skill (as McGuire demonstrated last friday). Guess referees, as in the case of foul or dangerous play, need to make a call on intent. I.e. Did he intend kicking that or was it an consequence of dropping the ball? Obvious in most cases (like your prop example), not so last friday imo.
Incidentally, I wouldn't wish even a wigan fan try explain the rules to an alien. I have enough issues with these Aussie Rules loving victorians.
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| When I play rugby at the weekend, I think I might roll the ball behind the defensive line, chase it, then kick it, score the try, and claim it is a drop kick.
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| Quote: 21-12 "When I play rugby at the weekend, I think I might roll the ball behind the defensive line, chase it, then kick it, score the try, and claim it is a drop kick.'"
Not sure anyone is suggesting that my friend. That would clearly be a knock on. Try it anyway. See how you get on fella. And get yourself down to the local debating team immediately. You'd be a shoe-in
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| Quote: McRhino ". That would clearly be a knock on. '"
Just like Mcguire's, in effect thats exactly what he did, I just exaggerated it to prove a point
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| Quote: McRhino "Tempted to say abolish the half-volleyed grubber (since its a knock on by that logic), but then its quite an attractive skill (as McGuire demonstrated last friday). Guess referees, as in the case of foul or dangerous play, need to make a call on intent. I.e. Did he intend kicking that or was it an consequence of dropping the ball? Obvious in most cases (like your prop example), not so last friday imo.
Incidentally, I wouldn't wish even a wigan fan try explain the rules to an alien. I have enough issues with these Aussie Rules loving victorians.'" ]
IMO it was a consequence of dropping the ball. My question is, would you have the same argument if say...Kirke, Ablett etc: did the same thing? I think you're only questioning it because it was McGuire, and it's more likely he meant to drop kick the ball hence back up your claim.
p.s I still think it was a knock on.
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| I have E mailed RFL expressing my puzzlement at Stuart Cummings interpretation and asking for a detailed explanation of it. I have also asked for a detailed public explanation to be made as this needs to be cleared up so that all levels of the game know the rul;es of the game as understood by the RFL officials
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| Quote: 21-12 "Just like Mcguire's, in effect thats exactly what he did, I just exaggerated it to prove a point
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| Quote: 21-12 "IMO the ball came out of his hands, went forward and hit the floor, knock on. Its irrelevant whether he attempted to kick it or not.'"
he attempted the kick to cover up a knock-on, any player would have done the same but its still a knock-on
cant see what all the fuss is about
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