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| On the subject of O'Driscoll, the commentary team were virtually peeing their panties over his 'amazing lines of running'. Looked like he did what any centre would do.
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| Average player in an average game.
I have many Irish (RU supporting) friends and we debate RU vs RL a lot.
Hence we analyse each others games.
I stand by my statments.
O Driscoll would get nothing out of at least half a dozen RL centres.
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| Quote ="Boris"On the subject of O'Driscoll, the commentary team were virtually peeing their panties over his 'amazing lines of running'. Looked like he did what any centre would do.'"
Union player run far better lines than SL players Sl players just drift most of the times. You get a player like Lyon who cuts an angle and people cream themselves!
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Average player in an average game.
I have many Irish (RU supporting) friends and we debate RU vs RL a lot.
Hence we analyse each others games.
I stand by my statments.
O Driscoll would get nothing out of at least half a dozen RL centres.'"

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| Quote ="jonh"icon_lol.gif'"
Even by your own standard, that was an awful post.
Still, at least you didn't get the grammar and spelling wrong.
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| Quote ="jonh"Union player run far better lines than SL players Sl players just drift most of the times. You get a player like Lyon who cuts an angle and people cream themselves!'"
Well I show my ignorance of the Super League as I do not watch it. I watch Wigan and that is it. I much prefer the NRL.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"You miss the point.
If you are seriously trying to compare O Driscolls centre play vs England to Faz (which you were) then you are deluded.
Now on your other point, I would rather have, for example, Carmont in a Wigan RL side any day of the week to O Driscoll. Any day.
Against an organised RL defence O Driscoll would be made to look what he is - very very average.
Now, given 5 years of the Communist Cap, I have no doubt that the future generations of RU players WILL be better than their SL counterparts.
However, for the moment, that is not true.'"
Carmont is a decent centre were getting carried away. He not in the same class as Senior was or even Gidley is now. Driscoll is a much better player than Carmont. Driscoll breaks tackles most games and is a different type of centre to Carmont. Driscoll leads the side well and is one of the best captains in world rugby of either code.
Driscoll would walk into any SL side. And the prietsman85 has a valid point. BTW you called all runion players crap once you said Driscoll was Trash. Hes the best player in the competition.
AS for Shane Williams which seasons videos have you watched him play. He was average this season ok he did get injured but hes not even remotly being good enough for SL. On current form will not goet a place on the wing for the lions. Flyute is only half decent from what ive seen of him.
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| Quote ="jonh"Union player run far better lines than SL players Sl players just drift most of the times. You get a player like Lyon who cuts an angle and people cream themselves!'"
But let's analyse your statment there, for amusement value if nothing else.
I presume you mean Union player s, just to get your grammar correct and enable me to understand the point that you are making.
So Union players run better lines than RL players eh?
Are you SURE?
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| Quote ="tank123"Carmont is a decent centre were getting carried away. He not in the same class as Senior was or even Gidley is now. Driscoll is a much better player than Carmont. Driscoll breaks tackles most games and is a different type of centre to Carmont. Driscoll leads the side well and is one of the best captains in world rugby of either code.
Driscoll would walk into any SL side. And the prietsman85 has a valid point. BTW you called all runion players crap once you said Driscoll was Trash. Hes the best player in the competition.
AS for Shane Williams which seasons videos have you watched him play. He was average this season ok he did get injured but hes not even remotly being good enough for SL. On current form will not goet a place on the wing for the lions. Flyute is only half decent from what ive seen of him.'"
No I didn't. I called O Driscoll trash.
Stick to the facts please, and stop making things up.
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| Quote ="The Jolly Ginger Giant"Notice how you managed to get your edit in before anyone managed to pull you up on it
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It's a fair cop
I have been on the G&T's tonight you know 
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| Quote ="The Jolly Ginger Giant"Notice how you managed to get your edit in before anyone managed to pull you up on it
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Quite. 
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"No I didn't. I called O Driscoll trash.
Stick to the facts please, and stop making things up.'"
l;earn to read. read the statement if in full
i said and i will repeat you called all union players crap once you called him Trash. Stop reading what you want as its obvious you dont want a discussion just your right were all wrong.
Its amazing the bigotry still exsists in todays society. You jsut cant face facts that some union lpayers are a lot better than league players. How many league players in the last 6 years have mae an impact in union. ! Robinosion all others have failed to make an impression on the game.
Werent leageu players far superior yet Faz has failed, Vainokolo failed, Pryce, failed, Harris failed, Hape failed. Paul failed.
Some of the best players in league yet have failed against players like Driscoll.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"I have been on the G&T's tonight you know
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Well that explains why you're talking sh*te then 
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"But let's analyse your statment there, for amusement value if nothing else.
I presume you mean Union players, just to get your grammar correct and enable me to understand the point that you are making.
So Union players run better lines than RU players eh?
Are you SURE?'"
I love "debating" with you as you always break it down to the lowest common denominator, (always a sign you are in trouble by the way  ) Watch a League game in the UK and watch how the players drift towards the touch line generally. Now watch a union game look at a straight runner or a centre who takes the line on in an attempt to give a player space.
O'Driscoll has great feet, good hands and a rock solid defence. He has played against a Kiwi legend in Tana Umanga who was the rugby player of his generation in both codes and was a superb league player untill he chose union and had him in his back pocket.
The lad is very very talented, but you chose to call him average.
I expect nothing less from you.
Robinson played with some great centres and he rates him as one of the best PLAYERS he has played with, but obviously you are right as usual, even in the face of superior evidence.....still a dyslexic lad may have made a spelling error so let focus on that! 
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| Quote ="jonh"I love "debating" with you as you always break it down to the lowest common denominator, (always a sign you are in trouble by the way
) Watch a League game in the UK and watch how the players drift towards the touch line generally. Now watch a union game look at a straight runner or a centre who takes the line on in an attempt to give a player space.
O'Driscoll has grea feet, good hands and a rock solid defence. He has played against a Kiwi legend in Tana Umanga who was the rugby player of his generation in both codes and was a superb league player untill he chose union and had him in his back pocket.
The lad is very very talented, but you chose to call him average.
I expect nothing less from you.
Robinson played with some great centres and he rates him as one of the best PLAYERS he has played with, but obviously you are right as usual, even in the face of superior evidence.....still a dyslexic lad may have made a spelling error so let focus on that!
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If I had one leg I wouldn't challenge someone to a 100 yards race.
If I were "dyslexic" I wouldn't enter into an intellectual debate on an internet forum.
Ok so let's put this into context.
OD vs Carmont
OD vs Senior
OD vs Meninga
OD vs Connolly
OD vs Gidley
OD vs Kenny
OD vs Miles
OD vs Bell
Do I REALLY need to make the point?
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| Quote ="jonh"Umanga who was the rugby player of his generation in both codes and was a superb league player untill he chose union and had him in his back pocket.
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Did he ever play a first grade match though in League?
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"If I had one leg I wouldn't challenge someone to a 100 yards race.
If I were "dyslexic" I wouldn't enter into an intellectual debate on an internet forum.
Ok so let's put this into context.
OD vs Carmont
OD vs Senior
OD vs Meninga
OD vs Connolly
OD vs Gidley
OD vs Kenny
OD vs Miles
OD vs Bell
Do I REALLY need to make the point?'"
Why you mentioning players who aren't currently in Super League? I haven't seen anyone say he's better than Meninga, Bell, Kenny or Miles were. I have seen people say he's better than Senior and Carmont because he is.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"If I had one leg I wouldn't challenge someone to a 100 yards race.
If I were "dyslexic" I wouldn't enter into an intellectual debate on an internet forum.
Ok so let's put this into context.
OD vs Carmont
OD vs Senior
OD vs Meninga
OD vs Connolly
OD vs Gidley
OD vs Kenny
OD vs Miles
OD vs Bell
Do I REALLY need to make the point?'"
I'm sorry but you can be dyslexic and intellectual so there is no need for personal insults
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| Quote ="The Jolly Ginger Giant"I'm sorry but you can be dyslexic and intellectual so there is no need for personal insults'"
Who's insulting?
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"If I had one leg I wouldn't challenge someone to a 100 yards race.
If I were "dyslexic" I wouldn't enter into an intellectual debate on an internet forum.
Ok so let's put this into context.
OD vs Carmont
OD vs Senior
OD vs Meninga
OD vs Connolly
OD vs Gidley
OD vs Kenny
OD vs Miles
OD vs Bell
Do I REALLY need to make the point?'"
Your opinion of yourself astounds me!
Is this what you consider an intellectual debate?
I think OD is a superior player to Senior and Carmont, not the rest, but is that such a crime?!
Does that make him not a quality player? 
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| Quote ="Conroy"Why you mentioning players who aren't currently in Super League? I haven't seen anyone say he's better than Meninga, Bell, Kenny or Miles were. I have seen people say he's better than Senior and Carmont because he is.'"
Ok
Senior
Gidley
Carmont
I dare say that even if someone like Bailey were to line up against him, OD would get NOTHING out of him.
Dumped on his ar$e and nullified.
As I say though, it's only a matter of time, given the CC that this will NOT be the case.
The CC will ensure that RL is years behind RU.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Who's insulting?'"
You are! You make a point of poking fun at his spelling and grammer mistakes due to his dyslexia
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"If I had one leg I wouldn't challenge someone to a 100 yards race.
If I were "dyslexic" I wouldn't enter into an intellectual debate on an internet forum.
Ok so let's put this into context.
OD vs Carmont
OD vs Senior
OD vs Meninga
OD vs Connolly
OD vs Gidley
OD vs Kenny
OD vs Miles
OD vs Bell
Do I REALLY need to make the point?'"
OD v Carmont. Driscoll due to ability to break the tackle and bring others in. Also in defence hes awsome
OD v Senior. Driscoll if i judged them both on current from. Though Senior 2-3 years ago was a mirror copy of him as equally as good.
OD v Gidley Gidley the best centre weve got in SL. And only Lyon has been better than him.
The rest:
Hes on par with Connolly
Of the others id have him on par with Connolly. But the others are better
And i cant believe youve not put down the player i regard as the best centre of the last 20 years. And hers me thinking you know your Rugby League.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Ok
Senior - BOD every time
Gidley - Tough to say really
Carmont - BOD every time
I dare say that even if someone like Bailey were to line up against him, OD would get NOTHING out of him.
Dumped on his ar$e and nullified.
As I say though, it's only a matter of time, given the CC that this will NOT be the case.
The CC will ensure that RL is years behind RU.'"
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