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| Quote pedro17="pedro17"Like I was saying Noble just didnt come in with the same team and it was fixed new signings came in and dead wood was removed, remember we smashed the salary cap that year.'"
We signed two players and Rads came out of retirement (for free). We also didn't smash the salary cap. We only paid out up to the the salary cap.
To do that some players wages were deferred, which is a practice allowed in the NRL and it was only the RFL's reaction to the outcry from Cas and others that assumed we had spent more than the cap that got the RFL to decide it wasn't in the spirit of the cap IMO.
It was basically the same team plus two signings and Rads with his dodgy legs not a massive overhaul of the squad.
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"We signed two players and Rads came out of retirement (for free). We also didn't smash the salary cap. We only paid out up to the the salary cap.
To do that some players wages were deferred, which is a practice allowed in the NRL and it was only the RFL's reaction to the outcry from Cas and others that assumed we had spent more than the cap that got the RFL to decide it wasn't in the spirit of the cap IMO.
It was basically the same team plus two signings and Rads with his dodgy legs not a massive overhaul of the squad.
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2 pivotal members of the squad were added, best kicker in the leage and the best prop in the world at the time.
We did smash the cap as we had players come in that we couldnt afford.
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| Quote pedro17="pedro17"2 pivotal members of the squad were added, best kicker in the leage and the best prop in the world at the time.
We did smash the cap as we had players come in that we couldnt afford.'"
We off loaded players and deferred wages to other players that year. And we did not smash the cap at all we payed to the maximum with renegotiated wages. The RFL fined us and deducted us points because the said it was not in the spirit of the cap which was the biggest load of rubbish to come from the RFL for years. Others that year broke the cap by small amounts and got away with it.
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| Quote Andy Greg="Andy Greg"We off loaded players and deferred wages to other players that year. And we did not smash the cap at all we payed to the maximum with renegotiated wages. The RFL fined us and deducted us points because the said it was not in the spirit of the cap which was the biggest load of rubbish to come from the RFL for years. Others that year broke the cap by small amounts and got away with it.'"
The only thing we did wrong that year, IMO, was take too much of a gamble. Mo perhaps should have realised that the small-minded barstewards at the RFL would have come after us, especially when it had ensured our survival.
But 'breaking the spirit of the cap' - when payments made overseas, images rights, etc, wasn't!!! - absolutely farcical.
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"No it did not. Once Mo, Jack Robinson, Tom Rathbone and Jack Hilton assumed control with Mo as Chairman success was rapid and consistent.
Prior to that momentous event before those four assumed control the club was run by a large committee and it was the one huge step that those four took which placed Mo at the helm. That wasn't a small step but a huge one and once taken success came very quickly.
ML was on the board in 1979, as where all the others in the the Gang of 4 - The gang of 4 did take control in 1982 but it took 3 years to assume that control - Maybe it will take 3 years for IL to turn around what has happened under Whelan's administration????
There are absolutely no parallels in the way Mo chose who coached Wigan or who got signed and what has happened with Noble and the squad.
Did I say there was?
I said the coach situation (Which Mo would have had say in) didn't go from Bamford to Lowe - There were 2 or 3 othjers in between!
I said that the Coach/Chairman or whomever decided on sigining Grgory etc did not go from Jinkin Jimmy to Andy Gregory! There were again 3 other steps inbetween!
So again, you criticise me for something I Never said!
Mo and the other three members of the gang of four staged their board room coup in 1982. Wigan won its first trophy in 12 years one year later in 1983, the John Player Trophy. In 1984 the club got to Wembley and got beaten by Widnes but returned in 1985 to win it in the epic game v Hull.
For a start we can only talk about the CC & The League as that is all that's left! Who's to say that If the JPS didn't exist back in those days we would have won anything? The revenue etc that the JPS win gave the club and the impetus it provided was a big turning point, without it would we have had the impetus to go on and win the CC 2 x years later????
We'll never know but I do think that we would have, Mo was a visionary AT THAT TIME however again you choose to ignore the FACT that I am right that Mo had 3 coaches before he chose Lowe!!!!!! 3 steps not 1 Huge one!
Would Lowe have come to Wigan in 80/81/82?????????
We won the championship in 1986 that is four years after Mo assumed the reigns not eight and the world club challenge the next year.
No we didn,t! We won it in 87!
Mo didn't assume the reigns, he was part of the 4 that took over the reigns of a club that they already had a significant say in!
See I can Nit Pick as well if you want!
Point is even if you go from the point of the gang of 4's takeover it Took 3 YEARS to win the CC and 5 Years to win the League!
Bearing in mind the Larger steps that could be taken in proffessionalism, coaching, training methods etc etc are probably not available to make these days due to SC and the general access to all the latest coaching methods etc then I would say IL has as equally if not more difficult job to get over that winning line than Mo & the gang of 4 had!
So once in control of the club it took him one year to win a trophy, three years to win the CC not six and four years not eight to win the league.
If you want to look at it that way, which IMO is not strictly correct as he already along with the others in the gang of 4 were already part of the current set up, it took him 3 years to win the CC & 5 years to win the League!
IL has been here 20 months! If he equals Lindsay's achievements, even in your version of events, I would be more than happy.
And Yes that does mean I would wait till 2011 for a CC or 2012 for a League Tital!
Whatever it takes so that we don't jeopardize the Long term future of the club attempting short term Glory as some did recently!
Oh Yes, that was Mo as well wasn't it!
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Why did he not do it 2nd time round if it was That easy?
The way he dealt with coaching appointments from 1982 onwards is well known with few coaches lasting any great length of time (not all sacked for those who assume they were) until Monie arrived.
And if BN does go this year he will have lasted as long as Murphy!
If the next bloke does 2 years he will have lasted as long as Clarke/McCinness!
Again Small Steps!
What's your point?
Your take on the clubs history is wildly inaccurate.
And your a patronising Thinks he knows it all! But I'm as close to the truth as you are!
From 77/78 onwards I attended 95% of All games Home & Away and I can tell you I know what went on, I know it wasn't as easy or as Rosey as you like to make it out under Lindsay & The gang of 4.
I have yet to see 1 post of yours that has ever praised the coach/club/chairman without having twice as many veiled digs at that same time.
Are you telling me that things are that bad?
Are you telling me that your ONLY measure of success is the trophies on display at the end of EACH season?
Get real!
Despite not agreeing with every decision that IL (AND BN for that matter!) have made over the last couple of years I can see they have made more good ones than bad and that, in the current enviroment, is far better than what we had for the 3/4 season before that!
If they continue at this rate (Mainly talking about IL here BTW as I ado agree a new coach should be in charge next season, if a better one is available, before you go off on a Noble Rant!) then I would be more than happy as I don't belive as a "Club" or as a "Team" we are that far behind any others and our future is as bright as anyones given a bit of patience!
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