Got into SL on merit, lots of folk sticking the knives in but Toronto have done more in three short years than most clubs outside of SL have done in thirty.

How? They gave the sport more exposure, expanded us properly into North America, developed a homegrown fan base, negotiated their own TV deal and gained promotion on merit.

A joke? That comment is completely ridiculous.

Isnt their owner a multi millionaire??? And how much match day income do they get? Dont they let ppl in for free most matches anyway?

Their owner, David Argyle, left after the allegation of racist remarks to a Swinton player last season, I don’t know who the owner is now. Their founder Eric Perez isn’t involved anymore as he’s leading the Ottawa charge.

I don’t know how much they bring in each week for a home game. What a silly question to ask.

They give a percentage of free tickets out but have had successful sales of season tickets for this season and have plenty purchasing home game tickets on the day. They will now refund season tickets to their fans, money which they would have been counting and depending on.

I am pro Toronto, as I’m pro New York and pro Ottawa but I’m not pro them staying in the SL long term. Their long term goal has to be developing a North American professional league to rival SL. However, in order to develop the club and fan and player base a stay in SL for all three may be required.

I thought it was due to having 7 players who's visas have run down, so not having a big enough playing squad, and nothing to do with money. Although they don't get any central funding.

Argyle is still the owner,he just stepped back after the comments about the Swindon lad.

They have to be relegated you can’t just say oh we can’t do it this year,see you next time toodle pip,from day one this season it’s been one thing after another to the point they couldn’t raise a 17 man squad.

If this was Bradford the pitchforks would rightly be out.

In ordinary times I’d completely and utterly agree without question. But these are extraordinary circumstances and times. No incoming revenue through no home games and a refusal by SL clubs to loan them money is why this has happened. Relegation & promotion should not go ahead (and I believed it shouldn’t beforehand anyway) as the likelihood of the Championship starting again is low. Catalans too are at huge risk, I wonder would the same glee be shown if they went as well?

Bradford were given all the help they wanted and still went boom. This situation bares no resemblance to Bradford’s in anyway. The comparison between the two is void.

We are playing 27 rounds next year anyway. We can't have an odd number of teams with an odd number of rounds so someone will need to be promoted as realistically Toronto have to be relegated after withdrawing. Had this been Hull KR, Wakefield or Salford withdrawing people wouldn't have bat an eyelid at them being demoted, the same should apply to Toronto.

The Championship in whatever form possible should now resume with the winners being promoted for 2021.

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this

They don't have a tv deal.
Nobody in North America knows anything about them. (I have a work client based in Toronto and they have no idea who they are)
They haven't converted any of the players they claimed they would.
They got promoted as the only professional club playing against builders most of whom were unable to travel.

Every single card was dealt in their favour. Would be like sticking Melbourne in L1 and being amazed when they the division.

I disagree with you over the comparison with Bradford but that’s by the by.

This is an idea built on a foundation of sand,that they had barely 23 players before seasons start should have had alarm a ringing but no the usual excuses of the big break through into America/Canada when little proof was ever given that the divide has been crossed.

They have to suffer relegation at least,if Argyle is serious then he will use the time to properly set the company straight if he’s serious the this could be a blessing in disguise,sadly though I think we may well of the Wolfpack.

Excuse me if I'm not rubbing my hands with anticipation should someone like Fev be brought in to replace Toronto next season......

Fair enough, you do raise some good points and don’t get me wrong I don’t believe they were without fault. You brought up (at least I think it was you!) their troubles early on in the season with barely being able to field 17 players and I had concerns they were over paying players and under staffing due to salary cap constraints. Without CV19 they were a shoe in for relegation IMO.

I just don’t believe relegation would be right this season given the disruption and the low chances of the Championship restarting making promotion a contentious issue. And I’d stand by that irrespective of who was in the relegation zone.

I’m not naive enough to think Toronto won’t be knocked back into the Championship. I just don’t think they should be. I do hope this isn’t the end for them, it would be yet another embarrassing expansion catastrophe for SL and rugby league in general.

You'd have a far better time in Fev mate

You really wouldn't. I've done Toronto about five times, the match day experience there is unparalleled in Super League. Some really embarrassing gloating going on about a blow to our sport. I expect it from the usual flatcappers but thought our fans might be a bit more enlightened.