240 meters more, 46 more PTB's, 13 more tackle busts, 10 offloads more and half as many missed tackles as Wire. We dominated that match as we all know. Yet safety first rugby and poor decisions at crucial times cost us. I really do hope Wane has learnt from this. It seems as though every scenario possible is being played out under Wane's stewardship this year and after everyone we all find ourselves saying "he'll learn from this".




12 minutes rings a bell with me.

penalties + errors = opposition points

should have won based on the stats

Shaun Wane encourages his players to throw the ball around though. Look at how many offloads we made in comparison to Wire. You show no respect for the ball and you're bound to make errors.

We look a completely different team under Shaun Wane than Mike Maguire. Look at the errors/penalties/missed tackle counts there - would we have seen that under Madge? Wane is encouraging his players to chuck the ball around/take risks whereas Madge stuck to the structures he put in place and played a more conservative game-plan. You show no respect for the ball and you make errors. You make errors you give your opponents chances to score. Shaun Wane sounds daft when he talks about 100% completion/no errors/penalties/perfect 80 minutes when he's encouraging his side to chuck it around the park/take more risks. You can't have both.

We lost that game because we failed to build pressure and invited Warrington back into the game. Madge's side rarely offloaded/forced passes/tried to play 'razzle-dazzle' RL. He realised that the less errors you make the less chance you give your opponents to score, the more you starve your opponents of possession and the more you tire the opposition out. We lacked composure last friday - for a second week in a row we chucked it around in our own half and had an intercept try! Every last tackle play on our opponents line we tried to score - why? Did it ever work? Did we force a goal-line drop out all game? Grubber kick into the corner, try to force a repeat set, build pressure - we did none of this.

Under Shaun Wane we've lost three games already. In the last three weeks we lost to the bottom club, conceded over 30 points to the bottom two clubs and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory at home against a side top of the league. That isn't good enough and we've taken a massive backwards step after Shaun Wane's brainfart against Widnes.

We only lost 9 league games in Madge's entire two-year tenure at the club. In just eight games in charge Wigan have already lost three matches under Wane...

I'm not calling for his head yet, but I'm definitely concerned at the way we're playing at the moment.

Incidentally outstanding stats from Mike McIlorum, Jeff Lima and Liam Farrell.

I know we play a more expansive game under Wane but Hock is leading the club in both penalties and errors and needs to improve his decision making before we can start to look at our style of play.

He's not the only one conceding penalties and making errors though, so it isn't down to one man to fix his issues before the whole team do the same thing. The team should be working hard to fix the problems so that even if Hock continues in the same manner there is an overall improvement, while obviously Hock needs to work on improving his own game as well.

Micky mc was my m.o.m he was in the thick of
It for 68 mins solid I think , but stand corrected if I'm wrong

Here's the averages for Madge's two seasons and this one so far,


Year - 2010 - 2011 - 2012
E - 11.44 - 12.67 - 9.75
P - 8.41 - 7.37 - 8.63
MT - 14.67 - 16.22 - 14.88
T% - 95.25 - 95.20 - 95.22

Wane's team is in fact making fewer errors. As it happens last year we made more errors than in any other season. So far this season we've made fewer errors than everyone except Salford and Saints where as Warrington have made the most. We are near the top in terms of penalties however. I don't think we look completely different, we did dominate Warrington something we rarely did under Maguire. For me it was more down to the negative tactics and particular, crucial, errors ie the interception pass.

Agreed, but Hock's the worst culprit for both errors and penalties so has the most to sort out.

Interesting reading... Stats don't tell a whole story, but they can blow holes in the "facts" people like to raise based on perception.

Not worried at all yet. Takes time to get your ideas across. Talk about knee jerk reactions by some on here.

Yep I'm not worried either. We were visibly underdone going in to Hudds, a largely 2nd string team lost by 1 point, giving away a very winnable lead in the process and now we've lost to one of our title rivals by 2 points in a game we probably could/should have won.

i know lets play tick rugby eh,, be no pens then,, jeeshhhh,, with his style ov play and aggression HOCK is going give pens,, love him or hate him hes still one of our better players AT THE MOMENT,,

Correct. What some people here also seem to forget is that without fail .adge would always take the2, and that w bLew a few games when leading convincingly at half time. This is the 1st time in a number of yeArs that we dominated wire throughout the game. Look at the performance not the result and the table will sort itself out over time.

How did madge do in his 1st NRL game btw?