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| Quote ="Pieman"he may be right andy, unless both companies were under administration as the groundsman and stewards were laid off, they should have been retained if the stadium company was still trading and not in administration, I dunno'"
I refer the honourable gentleman to Wigan/Leeds Andy's Reply earlier
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"Exactly. IEC are the same Hong Kong company who bought Wigan Athletic, the purchase of which included the Stadium which had been transferred from being a separate company of Whelco Holdings to the ownership of Wigan Athletic as proved by the fact that there is no entry of any Stadium company registered at Companies House, only the Wigan Athletic company.
The Lenagan consortium was only interested in buying the Stadium, but the administrators were only prepared to sell the Stadium as part of the ownership of Wigan Athletic which it has been since Whelan decided to sell the Latics.
Remember, it was Wigan Athletic who went into administration with no mention by the administrators of any separate sale of the Stadium as it has been owned by Wigan Athletic from the time when Whelan decided to sell the Latics as he knew that any potential buyers would only be interested in buying a football club who had ownership of the Stadium in which they played.
Therefore, the fifty year rental lease by Wigan Warriors for use of the facilities is now with whoever owns Wigan Athletic and the Stadium unless the new or future owners of Wigan Athletic decides to sell the Stadium off to another company, either to offset debts or just to make a profit for themselves.
It is now not a good situation for Wigan Warriors to be in, now that Whelan is no longer owner of the Stadium as recent events as shown.'"
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I refer the honourable gentleman to Wigan/Leeds Andy's Reply earlier'"
so they put both companies in admin, strange that as we wanted to buy 1 I imagine and not the other but never came off
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| Quote ="Pieman"so they put both companies in admin, strange that as we wanted to buy 1 I imagine and not the other but never came off'"
There's actually five companies in administration, three of which relate to Whelan's ownership of the club, stadium and other facilities (the two I mention above and this [urlhttps://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03477413[/url which is another operation of sports facilities). The other two were set-up by the previous owner(s) relating to various other activities - one might be the chippy.
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| Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"There's actually five companies in administration, three of which relate to Whelan's ownership of the club, stadium and other facilities (the two I mention above and this [urlhttps://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03477413[/url which is another operation of sports facilities). The other two were set-up by the previous owner(s) relating to various other activities - one might be the chippy.'"
wow thats a proper mess
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| Quote ="Pieman"so they put both companies in admin, strange that as we wanted to buy 1 I imagine and not the other but never came off'"
Yes, lenegan attempted to buy the stadium company only
Up until the announcement last week ago re the Spanish buyers he was still very involved in trying obtain the stadium only.
That doesnt mean he wasnt interested as such in Latics, but the preferrable option was for someone else to pick them up and become tenants of the stadium company.
The stadium company being owned by leneghan, and Wigan rlfc also being owned by leneghan, but they would be speerate companies.
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| Quote ="Pieman"wow thats a proper mess'"
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| Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"Hmmmmmm - [urlhttps://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/07283993[/url
WIGAN ATHLETIC HOLDINGS LIMITED
Company number 07283993
Company status
In Administration
Nature of business (SIC)
93110 - [uOperation of sports facilities[/u
Which is separate from - [urlhttps://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00270043[/url
WIGAN ATHLETIC A.F.C. LIMITED
As there is no separate company listed as AFC Wigan Athletic Holdings Ltd
Company number 00270043
Company status
In Administration
Nature of business (SIC)
93120 - [uActivities of sport clubs[/u'"
To further show what exactly has been sold by the Administrator, since the 4th of October the new Spanish owner of the Latics has registered the club at Companies House under a new company name of AFC Wigan Athletic Limited with no separate company registered as owning the Stadium. The companies of Wigan Athletic FC Limited and Wigan Athletic Holdings Limited which went into administration are still registered as being still owned by the Chinese.
It therefore would appear that the Stadium is now part of one company sold by the administrator to the new Spanish owner.
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| The Wigan RL lease will have been acquired by the new company who, in turn, can't just change the terms of it. So this looks like the status quo continues.
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| The spanish don't own anything yet as the deal has yet to be approved. When it has been they will own the football club and the stadium. How they choose to register them is their own decision.
The companies in administration that currently own these will be liquidated so the lease for both clubs to play at the stadium will no longer exist.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"The spanish don't own anything yet as the deal has yet to be approved. When it has been they will own the football club and the stadium. How they choose to register them is their own decision.
The companies in administration that currently own these will be liquidated so the lease for both clubs to play at the stadium will no longer exist.'"
They aren't being liquidated. All the terms and agreements will be absorbed by the new company surely? The stadium was transferred into a new company under Dave Whelan and nothing could be changed then.
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"They aren't being liquidated. All the terms and agreements will be absorbed by the new company surely? The stadium was transferred into a new company under Dave Whelan and nothing could be changed then.'"
Two totally different scenarios. If that was the case there would be no need for AFC Wigan Athletic or Rangers 2002 (or whatever the year is) or many other examples.
It is not the companies being sold but the assets of those companies. One is a football club and the other is a stadium.
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| Does this mean that the council have lost their part of the stadium then. They can't own anything if it's liquidated no matter who they are.
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"Does this mean that the council have lost their part of the stadium then. They can't own anything if it's liquidated no matter who they are.'"
Potentially. Or they may have already put their 15% in at the start and only an 85% stake in the stadium was for sale. We won't know that till it's signed and sealed, but if they have lost it then our situation is slightly more worrying as there's nobody there to protect us
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"To further show what exactly has been sold by the Administrator, since the 4th of October the new Spanish owner of the Latics has registered the club at Companies House under a new company name of AFC Wigan Athletic Limited with no separate company registered as owning the Stadium. The companies of Wigan Athletic FC Limited and Wigan Athletic Holdings Limited which went into administration are still registered as being still owned by the Chinese.
It therefore would appear that the Stadium is now part of one company sold by the administrator to the new Spanish owner.'"
So what your saying is that what you were saying up until this point WAS wrong???
What the new owners do in future is entirely up to them, and for reference they haven't officially purchased it yet,
But that doesn't take away from the FACT that it was 2 x separate businesses previously
You can't have a discussion on one subject and then change the goalposts later and claim your right
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| Quote ="Jukesays"You can't have a discussion on one subject and then change the goalposts later and claim your right'"
I try that with the wife all the time, never works.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"So what your saying is that what you were saying up until this point WAS wrong???
What the new owners do in future is entirely up to them, and for reference they haven't officially purchased it yet,
But that doesn't take away from the FACT that it was 2 x separate businesses previously
You can't have a discussion on one subject and then change the goalposts later and claim your right'"
Wasting your time
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Wasting your time
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I know
And it seems to be getting worse
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"To further show what exactly has been sold by the Administrator, since the 4th of October the new Spanish owner of the Latics has registered the club at Companies House under a new company name of AFC Wigan Athletic Limited with no separate company registered as owning the Stadium. The companies of Wigan Athletic FC Limited and Wigan Athletic Holdings Limited which went into administration are still registered as being still owned by the Chinese.
It therefore would appear that the Stadium is now part of one company sold by the administrator to the new Spanish owner.'"
No it doesn't.
Nothing's been sold yet and when they are, the new owners can set-up as many companies as they want to distribute the assets.
When in a hole don't start digging new holes.
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| Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"No it doesn't.
Nothing's been sold yet and when they are, the new owners can set-up as many companies as they want to distribute the assets.
When in a hole don't start digging new holes.'"
Do you mean like Boris Johnson and his Scientific Advisors are?
A b***** bigger hole than anything I have said!
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"Do you mean like Boris Johnson and his Scientific Advisors are?
A b***** bigger hole than anything I have said!'"
What's that got to do with the price of fish?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"What's that got to do with the price of fish?
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I'm sure you'd be better off bringing up the price of fish issue with Boris & his Brexit consultants than with his scientific advisors
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| Quote ="Barrett was robbed"I'm sure you'd be better off bringing up the price of fish issue with Boris & his Brexit consultants than with his scientific advisors'"
What's that got to do with Latics or the stadium?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"What's that got to do with Latics or the stadium?'"
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