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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Some people on here need to learn how to debate.
There is far too much
"Some posters have it in for XXX"
"Some posters will say anything that makes YYY look bad"
"Some posters dare to criticise the current set up"
NO.
Some posters have views and refuse to follow [uthe happy clappy crowd[/u.'"
 I wondered how long it would be before that phrase turned up again, but even I didn't think it would reappear after one defeat.
By 'happy clappers' you of course mean posters whose views differ with yours (even though in the same breath you're preaching to us all that everyone is entitled to hold their own view  )
But I'd be wary of using it too much. Remember how things turned out for the Happy Clappers when they supported IL against people like you for his decision to drop Noble and then appoint Maguire.
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| I think it was clear to see that whatever they had been doing in the off season did not work. Before the game Wane stated they were ready. I dont see any problem in questioning why we saw a lousy performance since we were led to believe other things in the build up from Wane himself. You cant promise gold then deliver bronze and expect everybody to just overlook it in the hope he might deliver gold next week.....
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"I think it was clear to see that whatever they had been doing in the off season did not work. Before the game Wane stated they were ready. I dont see any problem in questioning why we saw a lousy performance since we were led to believe other things in the build up from Wane himself. You cant promise gold then deliver bronze and expect everybody to just overlook it in the hope he might deliver gold next week.....'"
If you were genuinely expecting victory every single week, then I'd agree. But though I don't hold with this 'early season doesn't matter' viewpoint, I still think you need to give him a bit more time. However, each to their own.
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| It has ceased to amaze me, just how knee jerk some people on here can be.
Your lack of faith and total negativity should ban you all from celebrating any success we may have during Wanes term as head coach.
I genuinly mean that
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| Quote ="Cruncher"icon_lol.gif I wondered how long it would be before that phrase turned up again, but even I didn't think it would reappear after one defeat.
By 'happy clappers' you of course mean posters whose views differ with yours (even though in the same breath you're preaching to us all that everyone is entitled to hold their own view
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But I'd be wary of using it too much. Remember how things turned out for the Happy Clappers when they supported IL against people like you for his decision to drop Noble and then appoint Maguire.'"
Oh deary me Crunchy. I would have thought that you would have learned by now that adding multiple smileys to your post doesn't actually mean that you are right......... If anything it aludes to your lack of vocabulary, but I digress.
I think we all know who the "happy clappers" are and what they represent.............
As for your use of the Noble situation, I stick by my view that the way IL handled Noble was nothing short of disgraceful. I am, of course delighted that the gamble with MM paid off, and have said so on many occasions.
Is that really the best you can do? "I am disappoint........."
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| Quote ="Pieman"Bitcon works for Wane. I didnt see us play as bad last year...name the game for me and I may reconsider. How can you blame the player for being unfit and conditioned, if they have done what they have been told pre season, if not why are they playing? If they have been told what to do then it isnt there fault. Have you ever played the game? Again I didnt say Wane deserves the sack or didnt deserve the shot, but look at Madges first game and compare the difference...a coach can only be judged on his last game so lets do that as we cant do anything else.'"
Catalan at home, and away for that matter, are 2 that immediately spring to mind. There were other games such as against Castleford were we werent too hot either and when there was plenty of criticism on these boards.
I haven't blamed any player for being unfit, try reading what is wrote. You said about players being slow and unfit and I said why are you laying all the blame on Wane when Bitcon is the conditioner. Bitcon is the expert and as such Wane will delegate to Bitcon when it comes to conditioning or do you really think that Wane tells Bitcon what to do and how to do his job. If that is the case Bitcon may as well go home. Wane may have some input saying he wants x, y and z from the players but Bitcon is the one who would decide if this is achievable and if so how they would go about achieving it. This is a professional sports club not St Pats u12s were the coach does it all. You accused players of being unwilling but blame the coach for this. If a player does not show desire, commitment and motivation then I will certainly blame the player, not the coach. For your information, seeing as you are so interested, yes I have played the game, as well as coached for that matter, thanks for asking.
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| Quote ="Famous"Catalan at home, and away for that matter, are 2 that immediately spring to mind. There were other games such as against Castleford were we werent too hot either and when there was plenty of criticism on these boards.
I haven't blamed any player for being unfit, try reading what is wrote. You said about players being slow and unfit and I said why are you laying all the blame on Wane when Bitcon is the conditioner. Bitcon is the expert and as such Wane will delegate to Bitcon when it comes to conditioning or do you really think that Wane tells Bitcon what to do and how to do his job. If that is the case Bitcon may as well go home. Wane may have some input saying he wants x, y and z from the players but Bitcon is the one who would decide if this is achievable and if so how they would go about achieving it. This is a professional sports club not St Pats u12s were the coach does it all. You accused players of being unwilling but blame the coach for this. If a player does not show desire, commitment and motivation then I will certainly blame the player, not the coach. For your information, seeing as you are so interested, yes I have played the game, as well as coached for that matter, thanks for asking.'"
Catalans were very good against us and had virtually full strength teams too (not 8 missing), at the end of the year they were the leagues form team so a bit off par would have seen us dicked. So like I said how long has Wane had the job and been in training? IF he cannot judge the fitness levels until the first game then he hasnt used the pre season as it should have been used. He should have used it to asses the fitness and plays he has given them. Have we played a full strength team in the pre season to get the fitness levels of plays right? Is that the players or Bitcons fault?
Are you then blaming Bitcon for it? As you have passed the blame from now the players to the conditioner who is overseen from the head coach.
Then again, if you had played and coached like you said you would have know what I have just said known the coach has the full accountability.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Oh deary me Crunchy. I would have thought that you would have learned by now that adding multiple smileys to your post doesn't actually mean that you are right........"'"
No, but they're a good indicator of how ridiculous you think the previous post was.
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| The same thoughts as before the Hudds game. We'll be there or there abouts at the end of the season and as Leeds proved last season, anything can happen. We've lost one game FFS!!
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| Quote ="Pieman"Catalans were very good against us and had virtually full strength teams too (not 8 missing), at the end of the year they were the leagues form team so a bit off par would have seen us dicked. So like I said how long has Wane had the job and been in training? IF he cannot judge the fitness levels until the first game then he hasnt used the pre season as it should have been used. He should have used it to asses the fitness and plays he has given them. Have we played a full strength team in the pre season to get the fitness levels of plays right? Is that the players or Bitcons fault?
Are you then blaming Bitcon for it? As you have passed the blame from now the players to the conditioner who is overseen from the head coach.
Then again, if you had played and coached like you said you would have know what I have just said known the coach has the full accountability.'"
We were dicked, as you so eloquently put it, by Catalan at home and were awful. Do you not think we were awful? Catalan also had people out. There were many matches last year were these boards were full of criticism of the team and Maguire. With your previous couple of replies I seriously think you struggle to grasp simple English and I dont know why why are trying to say things that I havent. You also obsessed with if I have played the game or not like you are some sort of expert, which you are plainly not, and i have to say your condescending attitude is more than a little pathetic too.
I am not blaming anyone for anything as I do not go into a mass panic after one game of the season. I have never blamed the players for their condition either which you have accused me of again even though I corrected you in my last post. You obviously do not grasp English too well. It is people like you blaming Wane for one thing after another, not me. I am simply saying that I fail to see how if you feel they are unfit then dont you think that instead of the very simplistic blame the coach routine that you should be aiming your flack at the conditioner, it isnt exactly rocket science. If You accuse players of being unwilling then why not blame the players? It was not Wane who dropped balls, fluffed moves, missed easy tackles, had an awful kicking game etc. Likewise we have played no less friendly matches with a full strength team than previous seasons. Reading the reactions on here you would have thought we would have lost our first game by 60 points.
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| Quote ="Conroy"The same thoughts as before the Hudds game. We'll be there or there abouts at the end of the season and as Leeds proved last season, anything can happen. We've lost one game FFS!!'"
The over-reaction to it has been incredible.
God help us all if Leeds win on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"Quote ="Conroy"The same thoughts as before the Hudds game. We'll be there or there abouts at the end of the season and as Leeds proved last season, anything can happen. We've lost one game FFS!!'"
The over-reaction to it has been incredible.
God help us all if Leeds win on Saturday.'"
It's a typical Wiganer reaction I'm afraid to say. We're all doomed, Wane out, bloody rubbish Wigan etc etc.
If we were to beat Leeds on Saturday and I was Kris Radlinski, I'd walk into the SS bar after the game stick my fingers up and say "not slagging me off now are you" and walk out. Some of the stick he was getting from so called fans of the sport (and therefore should understand it slightly better) was ridiculous.
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| Quote ="Famous"We were dicked, as you so eloquently put it, by Catalan at home and were awful. Do you not think we were awful? Catalan also had people out. There were many matches last year were these boards were full of criticism of the team and Maguire. With your previous couple of replies I seriously think you struggle to grasp simple English and I dont know why why are trying to say things that I havent. You also obsessed with if I have played the game or not like you are some sort of expert, which you are plainly not, and i have to say your condescending attitude is more than a little pathetic too.
I am not blaming anyone for anything as I do not go into a mass panic after one game of the season. I have never blamed the players for their condition either which you have accused me of again even though I corrected you in my last post. You obviously do not grasp English too well. It is people like you blaming Wane for one thing after another, not me. I am simply saying that I fail to see how if you feel they are unfit then dont you think that instead of the very simplistic blame the coach routine that you should be aiming your flack at the conditioner, it isnt exactly rocket science. If You accuse players of being unwilling then why not blame the players? It was not Wane who dropped balls, fluffed moves, missed easy tackles, had an awful kicking game etc. Likewise we have played no less friendly matches with a full strength team than previous seasons. Reading the reactions on here you would have thought we would have lost our first game by 60 points.'"
Wane is accountable....
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| Quote ="Conroy"It's a typical Wiganer reaction I'm afraid to say. We're all doomed, Wane out, bloody rubbish Wigan etc etc.
If we were to beat Leeds on Saturday and I was Kris Radlinski, I'd walk into the SS bar after the game stick my fingers up and say "not slagging me off now are you" and walk out. Some of the stick he was getting from so called fans of the sport (and therefore should understand it slightly better) was ridiculous.'"
Its not helped with everybody expecting an easy win with Hudds injuries, i think the players thought it would be easy too. Add to that people havent had any proper rugby to watch for months and it being the start of a new era and some people have jumped all over it. I get the feeling some of our fans enjoy it when things go wrong so they can have a good moan.
I didnt go in the SS bar, were people really giving Radlinski some grief? That is bang out of order.
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| I didnt expect an easy win, I just expected to see more pace, attacking play and more enthusiasm. All things Wane has been saying during the off season.
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| Quote ="Pieman"I didnt expect an easy win, I just expected to see more pace, attacking play and more enthusiasm. All things Wane has been saying during the off season.'"
Why are you attaching so much significance to Wane talking up the team's chances during the off-season?
Would you expect any coach to be downbeat when asked what his hopes are for the coming season? How would you have felt if Wane had said that he felt we were only good enough for mid-table? Even if he genuinely believed that, would you have expected him to say it?
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| It wasnt the expectations it was what he was working on and the changes he is making to the team, training and game play.
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| Quote ="Pieman"It wasnt the expectations it was what he was working on and the changes he is making to the team, training and game play.'"
I would say it's ALL about the expectation with some Wigan fans. It clouds their judgement in a big way, as this thread has exemplified.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I would say it's ALL about the expectation with some Wigan fans. It clouds their judgement in a big way, as this thread has exemplified.'"
and why is that wrong?
I didnt expect wigan to destroy huddersfield, history told me that wouldnt happen, however i did expect to see a wigan team compete for the 80 mins.
the score flattered wigan, huddersfield were way better than us in so many ways, the team loked under prepared and uninterested.
case in point, we are 4 points down with 10 or so to go, we get a scrum on the oposition 25, and walk to it, eventaully sam started to run to it but still had to wait to get another 5 players with him to have the clock stopped. At that moment i knew we had lost, there was no enthusiasm in the ream, huddersfield knew they had the beating of us.
I dont expect to beat every team, but i do expect wigan to compete with every team, the fact that we only lost by 4 was more is irrelevant, every performance this year has been lethargic. I watched the friendly against huddersfield and it showed 2 things our lack of last tackle options and lack of attacking prowess.
we could see it against Hull KR, we could see it aginst shuddersfield and salford, all of these were before the season started, the high kick to the corner for pat is our last tackle option, when that fails we are spannered.
so why is it wrong to expect 17 professional players to look ineterested once a week?
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| Quote ="Lazy J"and why is that wrong?
I didnt expect wigan to destroy huddersfield, history told me that wouldnt happen, however i did expect to see a wigan team compete for the 80 mins.
the score flattered wigan, huddersfield were way better than us in so many ways, the team loked under prepared and uninterested.
case in point, we are 4 points down with 10 or so to go, we get a scrum on the oposition 25, and walk to it, eventaully sam started to run to it but still had to wait to get another 5 players with him to have the clock stopped. At that moment i knew we had lost, there was no enthusiasm in the ream, huddersfield knew they had the beating of us.
I dont expect to beat every team, but i do expect wigan to compete with every team, the fact that we only lost by 4 was more is irrelevant, every performance this year has been lethargic. I watched the friendly against huddersfield and it showed 2 things our lack of last tackle options and lack of attacking prowess.
we could see it against Hull KR, we could see it aginst shuddersfield and salford, all of these were before the season started, the high kick to the corner for pat is our last tackle option, when that fails we are spannered.
so why is it wrong to expect 17 professional players to look ineterested once a week?'"
This must be the first time in all my years of watching Wigan that I've ever known fans be upset by pre-season results (which were hardly a disaster - we beat Hull KR reasonably comfortably, against Huddersfield we mainly fielded kids, and at Salford, though poor, we still won; folk are talking as if we got slaughtered in every one of them).
Do you honestly not think you need to wait a couple of weeks to see how the team firms up in real matches? Sure, the first result was disappointing - and Wigan's performance was very poor - but some perspective is called for.
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| A bit of a late addition but here we go....
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I'm sorry bar Darryl Goulding and Jeff Lima - the team played woefully on Sunday. Luaki was appalling and I cannot see any legible reason why we signed him - although I was at first hopeful he would be good. He was garbage at Hull FC and is looking to be garbage for us.
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We seemed to lack any idea's in attack, almost as if Wane has thrown out all Madge's good input and gone back to amateur play. Hock passing the ball? Whats all that about? He CAN'T pass, just take it forward for crying out loud. I thought we lacked real direction and good ball distribution, how many passes went to ground or behind the man or even into touch?
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Awful. No enthusiasm, no technique. It was just poor, hardly anyone took out the legs, preferring instead to go upper and try to muscle them to the ground. People dropping off tackles, poor technique, poor communication. MUST improve ASAP.
Fitness
Is it just me or did we look unfit? We looked absolutely massive units (muscle wise), some people have bulked up a lot but fitness wise we just looked unfit. IIRC we had a scrum on our own line in the first 20mins and Huddersfield ran to the scrum and more or less formed it and we were strolling, hands on hips, tired to the scrum position. Not acceptable.
I know its the first game of the season and all that but I for one expected ALOT better. I hope we have improved for Leeds this week - we'll get hammered if we don't - and put in a brilliant performance. I hope.
Unless things improve greatly, I can't see Wigan making the top 4. We didn't sign as well as we should of done or as well as other teams have and therefore are already facing a battle to regain the SL crown and retain the CC. We don't need to make things harder than it already will be.
COME ON WIGAN
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I'm sorry bar Darryl Goulding and Jeff Lima - the team played woefully on Sunday. Luaki was appalling and I cannot see any legible reason why we signed him - although I was at first hopeful he would be good. He was garbage at Hull FC and is looking to be garbage for us.
Play
We seemed to lack any idea's in attack, almost as if Wane has thrown out all Madge's good input and gone back to amateur play. Hock passing the ball? Whats all that about? He CAN'T pass, just take it forward for crying out loud. I thought we lacked real direction and good ball distribution, how many passes went to ground or behind the man or even into touch?
Defence
Awful. No enthusiasm, no technique. It was just poor, hardly anyone took out the legs, preferring instead to go upper and try to muscle them to the ground. People dropping off tackles, poor technique, poor communication. MUST improve ASAP.
Fitness
Is it just me or did we look unfit? We looked absolutely massive units (muscle wise), some people have bulked up a lot but fitness wise we just looked unfit. IIRC we had a scrum on our own line in the first 20mins and Huddersfield ran to the scrum and more or less formed it and we were strolling, hands on hips, tired to the scrum position. Not acceptable.
I know its the first game of the season and all that but I for one expected ALOT better. I hope we have improved for Leeds this week - we'll get hammered if we don't - and put in a brilliant performance. I hope.
Unless things improve greatly, I can't see Wigan making the top 4. We didn't sign as well as we should of done or as well as other teams have and therefore are already facing a battle to regain the SL crown and retain the CC. We don't need to make things harder than it already will be.
COME ON WIGAN'"
Luaki is garbage after one game?
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They were all garbage in that one game, weren't they?
I guess that means we should get rid of all of them.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"They were all garbage in that one game, weren't they?
I guess that means we should get rid of all of them.'"
We wont be far off if we judge every player off just one game!
It was a bad day at the office for the whole team bar one or two and i was as angry as the next guy afterwards but people are going too far now.
Luaki is garbage and Wane will never suceed after just one game?
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"We wont be far off if we judge every player off just one game!
It was a bad day at the office for the whole team bar one or two and i was as angry as the next guy afterwards but people are going too far now.
Luaki is garbage and Wane will never suceed after just one game?
I hope to god we win on Saturday or i cant imagine what people will say next.'"
It won't be pretty.
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