I don't think he's guessing, he runs around the bodies and sees the ball has to be on the line and goes with the try, much in the same way he can't guess for the May one because he just cannot see the ball at all. I think he calls both right from what he can see but I would turn the Wardle one down for it being a double movement. It's not the common way in which double movements usually happen but I think he does stop and then drags the ball in towards him.

Liam Moore is the bloke getting the stick but it should be Kendall (if anyone) for the Wardle decision and the French no try. Liam Moore made one error on the night IMO and that was the ball strip decision (and he actually seemed to get a word in his ear on that as well because there was a delay).

It all takes away from a great Wigan effort on the night (not saying you're doing that btw) and a great result for the English game again. Nobody is daft enough to say it proves we're the best side in the World but we have respect and have shown we can play, just as Saints did last year. To see the Aussie side down in the dumps again was something the whole game here should be happy about.

I bet Wigan fans won't complain anymore when Moore referees their games.....

Have a look at todays League Express, the photo shows the ball on the line.

This is where we disagree and could easily waste hours on. We will have to agree to disagree.

I can't pretend I am happy Wigan won but I certainly take pleasure in an Aussie ego or two getting deflated. I don't really buy into the Wigan "doing it for Super League" ideology, in the same way I didn't with Saints winning last year, but I do think it gets us more respect from the NRL when we prove our best can go toe to toe with theirs.

I have, and it doesn't. This is the image you refer to and in this image you categorically CANNOT see the ball on the line.


What does Moore see here to make him think it's a try?

But again, we can go round in circles all day.

I'm going to go against the trend and say I like that we have the ref's call system. I remember being stood on terraces watching 10min of replays because Ganson or whoever couldn't make their mind up on whether there was downward pressure or someone was onside. Ref's call will see the odd bad decision, but thats a price worth paying to speed up every decision that goes to VR

Top picture, the bit of head top right and the boot bottom right, is that Liam Moore ? If it is he's got the best view in the house as to whether the ball touched the line

Absolutely spot on
Using a still shot from a different anlge to say what the ref could or couldn't see is ridiculous

The problem is there are plenty angles and still shots that show the ball not on the line.

There isn't one that shows it on the line.

That's because there's a rugby ball in the way

Quote: Jukesays "Absolutely spot on Using a still shot from a different anlge to say what the ref could or couldn't see is ridiculous'" Case in point. https://www.facebook.com/reel/735599925 ... e&s=TIeQ9V Apologies if this link doesn't work. But it's on Facebook on NRL on Nine page. Even the studio of Aussies is split there. Brad Fittler saying on the line. As I said earlier, not as controversial as Saints/Wire fans will have you believe. That video favours the ref's initial call.

Quote: Jukesays "Absolutely spot on Using a still shot from a different anlge to say what the ref could or couldn't see is ridiculous'" Case in point. https://www.facebook.com/reel/735599925 ... e&s=TIeQ9V Apologies if this link doesn't work. But it's on Facebook on NRL on Nine page. Even the studio of Aussies is split there. Brad Fittler saying on the line. As I said earlier, not as controversial as Saints/Wire fans will have you believe. That video favours the ref's initial call.

DOESNT ******* MATTER

It was given, move on

The image with Wardles finger is an example of nothing only him putting a finger up to indicate he got the ball down at a point, not as the picture is caught.

Go around in circles here but.... you have three tacklers trying to stop a try no conversations with each other trying to do their best but all acting independently, the whole action lasts a second at most at the point ref gets a view he sees ball on floor clearly shown on image, Wardle finger in air was to say he got it down but by that time they have pushed him back away and is a moment later than the grounding. No way on earth from camera angles can anyone for certain say ball doesn't touch white grass. Nor can they for sure say that it's Wardle moving it and not one of the tackling players pulling the arm up while other player pulling arm away in opposite directions. But which ever side you sit we are all bias.
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The images are all different timeline ball is never really stationary Wardle trying get to line one Penrith player pulling to body other pulling away, it does show that the ref does see what he thinks is a grounded ball and is also better placed than any camera. The shape of ball it's position and the run of the line would 100 times out of 100 see this go up as a try, and by the rules in place you can't chalk it off no matter how your bias would like that.
I can live with that just like I'm sure Saints fans can live with Penrith players backing up what many thought last year, that they didn't take last year's game seriously and didn't really prepare for it. We both have it chalked down as a win.