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Quote: Geoff "No, he's just a very naughty boy...'"


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Last night he looked very different to when we had him at the start of the season. He looked very low on confidence and dropped a bomb for a try and got caught out on a couple of 40-20's which he didn't do before with us.
Giving him a spell with us at a lower level than SL where he WILL regain his confidence will help him no end.
He's a very popular player with our fans and got a great cheer when his name was announced last night and I've no doubt he'll be great again for us like he was first time around.

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Oh and Ben Davies is awesome. He will be the best prop in SL in a few years time. He absolutely loves the game, never stops running and never wants to come off.

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Quote: Geoff "No, he's just a very naughty boy...'"


All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what has Shaun Ainscough ever done for us?

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Quote: Mother Feka "Its not like I said anything bad though, i dont know Ainscough so dont know what his attitude is like'"

You asked a perfectly reasonable question. I once asked if Gaz Hock kept on making unforced errors because he knew he wouldn't get dropped and if he'd benefit from competition for places. I was shot down in flames and told how we can't cope without him. Lets see what happens if we get him back and he has to earn his place. I predict less brainfarts. Some players are untouchable

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Quote: "Last night he looked very different to when we had him at the start of the season. He looked very low on confidence and dropped a bomb for a try and got caught out on a couple of 40-20's which he didn't do before with us.
Giving him a spell with us at a lower level than SL where he WILL regain his confidence will help him no end.
He's a very popular player with our fans and got a great cheer when his name was announced last night and I've no doubt he'll be great again for us like he was first time around.'"


I agree I think he's been messed about a bit too much this season and needs a bit of stability with a team.

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Quote: "Oh and Ben Davies is awesome. He will be the best prop in SL in a few years time. He absolutely loves the game, never stops running and never wants to come off.'"


Ben Davies is an amazing player!

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Quote: "Lets see what happens if we get him back and he has to earn his place. I predict less brainfarts. Some players are untouchable

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I think Wigan will get him back. Probably be up to him then to prove he deserves re-signing!

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I think the lad aint good enough for wigan. He has had a few chances now and has bombed them all he is suspect in defence and suspect under the high ball, granted he can score tries but other players in the squad can finish justg as well. No-one can say he is as good as richards, roberts or goulding.

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Quote: marsy11 "I think the lad aint good enough for wigan. He has had a few chances now and has bombed them all he is suspect in defence and suspect under the high ball, granted he can score tries but other players in the squad can finish justg as well. No-one can say he is as good as richards, roberts or goulding.'"


To be fair though he's young and there's time. I really thought prior to this season that Goulding was slowly letting his career at Wigan slip away, but hats off to the lad he's worked damn hard and been excellent this season on the wing. So I don't think anybody should write Ainscough off, he needs our support.

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Quote: AJ "Repost it about Pryce, Bailey or Riddell or anyone Noble signed. They will be having fits to get to the keyboard to agree.'"


It's nothing to do with who signed the players.

Quote: AJ "Ainscough IS NOT as good as he is talked up to be.

Should he have had more chances, possibly, but Goulding has rightly kept him out of the side. He had a chance last week, and was average in all aspects of the game.

Just because he is from Wigan doesn't make him good enough to automatically be selected.'"


He's not as bad as he's made out to be either. And to say he had his chance last week and was average is just ignoring the fact the rest of the team bar Farrell were average and he was stuck outside Bailey.

If Goulding had played and been left as exposed by Bailey as Ainscough was there is no way Goulding would have come in for any criticism and rightly so IMO as he has done well this season but people have quickly forgotten when Ainscough got this chance last season he did well also. It seems to count for nothing and I'd love to know why his mistakes are picked over to the degree that they are and other players are given the benefit of the doubt Phelps being the classic example.

One average game in the poorest Wigan side to take the field so far this season and he's blown his chance it seems with some.

Then we get someone posing the question does he have an attitude problem which is right out of left field IMO and is therefore just piling the agony on even more despite protestations it was only a question because regardless of what motivated it you can virtually guarantee some lunatic will repost it as fact because someone posed the question.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "To be fair though he's young and there's time. I really thought prior to this season that Goulding was slowly letting his career at Wigan slip away, but hats off to the lad he's worked damn hard and been excellent this season on the wing. So I don't think anybody should write Ainscough off, he needs our support.'"


Goulding has been nothing short of brilliant this season. He's as solid as they come.

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Quote: DaveO "It's nothing to do with who signed the players.

He's not as bad as he's made out to be either. And to say he had his chance last week and was average is just ignoring the fact the rest of the team bar Farrell were average and he was stuck outside Bailey.

If Goulding had played and been left as exposed by Bailey as Ainscough was there is no way Goulding would have come in for any criticism and rightly so IMO as he has done well this season but people have quickly forgotten when Ainscough got this chance last season he did well also. It seems to count for nothing and I'd love to know why his mistakes are picked over to the degree that they are and other players are given the benefit of the doubt Phelps being the classic example.

One average game in the poorest Wigan side to take the field so far this season and he's blown his chance it seems with some.

Then we get someone posing the question does he have an attitude problem which is right out of left field IMO and is therefore just piling the agony on even more despite protestations it was only a question because regardless of what motivated it you can virtually guarantee some lunatic will repost it as fact because someone posed the question.

Dave'"


Dave, can I just ask you where the hell was this sentiment and backing from you last season during Pryce's appearances, again mostly during poor TEAM performances and being either played out of position or put outside Bailey and Phelps (where Karl actually did pretty well a couple of times)?

I full back your sentiments, I just find it slightly baffling how you can pick and choose your support so easily.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "Dave, can I just ask you where the hell was this sentiment and backing from you last season during Pryce's appearances, again mostly during poor TEAM performances and being either played out of position or put outside Bailey and Phelps (where Karl actually did pretty well a couple of times)?'"


I don't recall being harsh on KP last season? In any case Bailey's performance v Quins was probably his worst as a centre in a Wigan shirt which is surely the point? I am not saying he was great as a centre in the past compared to Gleeson or Carmont but I am not sure what that has got to do with it re Pryce as he was so bad last week Ainscough was on a hiding to nothing IMO.

Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "I full back your sentiments, I just find it slightly baffling how you can pick and choose your support so easily.'"


It might be hard to believe but it's not support but simply attempting to call a spade a spade as I see it. For example I don't feel any need to be contrite about criticising Roberts last year because last year he just wasn't very good for such an established pro. This year he's a different kettle of fish. When Goulding got a lot of flak a season or two ago I defended him because I thought it was not justified but I do recognise that sometimes players just aren't that good. I happen to think Ainscough will come good just as Goulding has changed a few opinions this season.

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Quote: DaveO "I don't recall being harsh on KP last season? In any case Bailey's performance v Quins was probably his worst as a centre in a Wigan shirt which is surely the point? I am not saying he was great as a centre in the past compared to Gleeson or Carmont but I am not sure what that has got to do with it re Pryce as he was so bad last week Ainscough was on a hiding to nothing IMO.

It might be hard to believe but it's not support but simply attempting to call a spade a spade as I see it. For example I don't feel any need to be contrite about criticising Roberts last year because last year he just wasn't very good for such an established pro. This year he's a different kettle of fish. When Goulding got a lot of flak a season or two ago I defended him because I thought it was not justified but I do recognise that sometimes players just aren't that good. I happen to think Ainscough will come good just as Goulding has changed a few opinions this season.

Dave'"


I don't recall you backing KP either when the wolves were on him in less than ideal circumstances for the player - in much the same way that the Quins game isn't really a reflection of Ainscough's abilities, hence i've come out and said as much in defence of him.

It's not meant as a dig at you btw Dave, i'm sorry if it comes across like that, I was merely curious.

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