He's had a nightmare game.

Corrected for accuracy.

You could do worse than mamo for next season

Completely agree. He’d be a great signing

Good opening 3mins (we’ll call it 5). Good opening 20mins in the second half. 25mins we played decent. The rest was abysmal at best and plain ridiculous at worst. The crowd leaving early, boos ringing out, embarrassed at home by one of our closest rivals. About to hear Lam offer up the same excuses. They keep switching to him on Sky and he just looks lost.

Re Smith I see potential in him. But he’s playing like he has no confidence or comfort in what he’s being asked to do. With a coach of the mettle of Holbrook/Maguire he’d be a completely different half.

The only shining light from that game was KPP. That lad is gonna be an awesome asset for us.

My first game in the flesh this year. Brilliant to see the lack of quality, team spirit and general lethargy in person. The club is a shell of what it should be, plenty abuse thrown form the stands towards Lam too.

Lammies face was priceless.

Havard KPP and Marshall for me.

Rest were poor.

Low energy, low enthusiasm.

Smith I wouldn’t pay in washers at the moment. Looks like a boy trying to play a mans game.

Yeah I don’t disagree to be honest. Isa looked ok in patches, good in others, poor in others. Pretty standard for him.

Adrian Lam “we’re close”

Is he f***ing deluded?

Said it in a different thread, no pace, no props, no energy, just no threat from anywhere...

Strange post match interview. As an outsider looking in if Lam thinks your are close to where you need to be you are in a whole heap of trouble. There is no way that is good enough for a Wigan team and to think otherwise is unbelievable.

Very good from us (wire) tonight, but jeez you lot are miles off the pace at the minute. New coach and a rebuild coming for 2022 no doubt.

What's more depressing, is that given the Injuries, Lam can't even attempt to change anything, which means a season watching this dross...

Don’t expect him to come out and slam the players but I expected a somewhat more downbeat interview.

He seemed fairly comfortable with where we are and how we played which is very concerning.

Just awful. And it didn’t even go as bad as I thought it would.

Dear Mr L,
I do not know what game you were watching but the game that I watched was utterly appalling. The players managed to show sparks of enthusiasm but generally were convincingly beaten. Poor Harry Smith was lost because of your decision to play his senior partner at fullback, you are ruining his confidence whilst blunting our main threat in attack.
I hope that your refusal to play Hanley in his preferred position is out of a desire to protect him from the s***storm that will be coming the way of some of the youngsters after the recent run of games. Not one young player has improved since last season and now they all look burned out. The only real spark of hope was the performance of Kai Pierce-Paul who will grow into a fine SuperLeague player.
The forwards are too small and inexperienced to play the role assigned to them because of poor recruitment of senior players. Tonight we had one real go forward prop playing, not because of injury but because of our inability to improve on those who we have let go. Wells would look a leader in our present team. When we did attempt to strengthen we could have picked up several battle hardened veterans but we tried to fix the problems with a single injured superstar. Now we need plan B.
The lack of any kind of go forward is killing us. Whilst I know that money is tight I hope that we have the vision to rectify the problems especially since for next year we are going to need to bolster our squad to enable us to play a reserve team. Ideally several of our starting squad will be playing in it.

That was probably me Matty
I could see June and July being a disaster zone and that was before additional injuries plus suspensions

I predict if Saints really do turn up on Sunday they will get 50.

The next match that I see us winning is potentially Leyth in August. Can you imagine though if they haven’t won a game by that time and we are on a long losing run?????

We are poor at the moment but Lam’s obvious limitations make the situation even worse. I’ve said previously Lam’s level is probably Judes or Pats as head coach.
Until he departs nothing will change due to anything that he does or says.

Sign a player because he had a decent game against us and then play him in a system that really does not work. Then bin him off. It is the Wigan way

Too many things to criticise to even bother. I hope we let Lam head home early but I can’t see it.

KPP was about the only positive. I’d love to see him in a proper pack though and not the academy pack we have to turn out each week.

KPP looks a really decent prospect. Unless he gets injured I can see him in the starting 13 for the rest of the season even when Bateman is back.

I think Shorrocks shows some potential but he needs to play in a much more dominant pack before we can the best of him.

Yeah I think it was. I was hopeful at the time that we would have found a way out of it but we are going deeper down the rabbit hole week by week.

As month's go this one's been a shocker for bad news:

Four losses.
Clubb banned.
French out for season.
Hardaker banned for headbutt.
Singleton banned for headbutt.
George Williams announcement.
Manfredi to retire early.
Forced to play with ten players out due to England game.
Bateman injury.
Hardaker neck injury that sounds serious.
Rumoured signings from lower league clubs.
Low ticket sales.
Fresh faced Saints to face us in four days.
Down to fifth with Hull KR breathing down our necks.


Awful.

I think Saints will come into Sunday’s game a little undercooked. If you can get on top early (a big ask with your current attack I know) then I think you could shell-shock Saints. They don’t seem to like it when a team gets into them early.

I predict another narrow loss for Saints on home turf.

I was so excited about the crop of young forwards coming through 12-18 months back but we risk hurting their development by playing them all at the same time. I think you can get away with maybe 2 or 3 young forwards in your 17 at most but even at full strength Lam is putting 5 in (Smithies, Partington, Byrne, Havard and Shorrocks) and tonight it was 7, with KPP and O’Neil in there as well. A lack of depth isn’t Lams fault but even when he’s had a fit squad he’s left out experience to make sure he crams the pack full of youngsters.

I totally agree.
I started to worry in the CC game with York. We struggled to beat a lower league team with injuries to key players. The crabby win against Salford convinced me that our lofty position was totally and utterly false.

I don’t think we’ve had a single piece of good news all season. Even the announcement of French for 2022 was preceded by the news that he was out for the rest of the season.

Unless Lam departs I think a bottom 4 place is practically guaranteed. I take no pleasure in saying that but I struggle to see how Lam can turn it around as he seems bereft of ideas and if I honest looks like a guy under stress frozen in fear so that his brain lacks any logical thoughts.

Don’t know much about McDermott as a person but if I’m IL I’d probably be giving him a call this evening to at least sound him out as an interim coach for the rest of the season.