Roby is better this year, which is crazy at his age but it’s true.
Bentley has improved dramatically too.

We have missed Thompson massively of course and he’s probably the biggest factor in us not being as dominant this year, moreso than the gulf between Woolf and Holbrook. Although I do agree with NK that Holbrook is a fantastic coach with a huge career ahead of him.

I agree with you in terms of your pack being on the up, not doubting that. I’m just saying until you’re consistently getting on top of us in that department we can’t write the Saints pack off which is what it looks like is happening here. You’ve beaten us once in 2 years and we were missing our best prop. So I think I little bit of perspective is needed that’s all.

But there’s no denying Wigan’s pack is on the up like I said and you’re looking stronger for 2021, whereas Saints have an element of the unknown about us with 3 new signings coming in. If those signings turn out to be similar to Sia Soliola or Zeb Taia for example then we are laughing. If they turn out like Josh Perry and Chris Flannery then we have an issue

Haha I wasn’t even counting that one to be fair. In terms of a gauge of where the two teams are at right now that game is completely irrelevant.

Definitely a wish list. I think 7 is an obvious weak point for us. Fages is out of contract on 2021, as is Sezer. One can dream....

Wigan are getting awfully confident aren't they after matching (note not bettering) our Walmsley-free pack in one game.

I'll be waiting for the play-offs before acknowledging how poor we have become. . . . I think that game was a bigger one for Wigan than us and it showed, interested to see the play-off rematch.

As for all this Saints pack is much weaker without Walmsley - so what, he plays for us! It's like saying your backs are weaker without French, it's pointless.

Contrary to what some fans think I still think our team is a little behind Saints, especially in the front row which is frustrating as I guess between George Burgess and Tony Clubbs wage we could afford any prop in the league. That said I think we’re getting closer and the recent game shows that and if we meet in the final I think it’s will be a close game. As for next season we should improve, we’ve got some young props who should improve and maybe Saints have a few more older player who will decline, recruitment wise I’m not sure who is winning so far, we’ve got Bateman and someone who could be anything in Field, Saints have signed an Ozzie international who is yet to hit his peak (although lost his way) and I think Thompson will go well too, I certainly think it will be the 2 of us at the top challenging again but injuries can soon change that.

Calm down mate - I've already said pages ago you look good for next year