I for one hope that the site mods have kept details of all IP addresses and PM messages as if IL's legal team get involved it could get messy.

I've been through this a thousand times and this will be my last.
I am not willing to expand any further, I don't have to and I will not.
I do not care if people believe me whatsoever.
I do not need to justify my comments with relation to expanding any further, I know what has happened as do several others on here etc.

Overtime I believe more information will naturally surface. But for now, people are rightfully stating they aren't going to expand.

Wasn't me, I haven't discussed any details. I just said that it doesnt add up to IL being aware as if he was aware of what I believe had gone on then I couldn't see how another senior person would still be employed by the club any longer apart from as somebody else suggested that Gaz Hock had refused to implicate the other senior member of staff. My understanding is slightly different though, that Hock hadn't spoken directly to IL that all discussions had been done through Hock's agent.

So now you are telling us that Ian Lenagan isn't telling the truth, as he has openly stated that he has had face to face meetings with Hock?

My information is from quite a few different sources all unconnected to each other but directly connected to what has gone on, some incredibly reliable sources and some not so but the information all ties in with each other, I've not got a plan on the wall or anything with testemonies or photo evidence etc just been told a lot of different information that all amounts to one accurate story by several people well placed. I wouldn't have stated as much as I have in defence of my information without being as close to 100% as is possible. The information I have simply can't be ignored.

Sorry about that then

You said earlier that your main source was 'Category A' ie someone actually involved in the rumour. This would be either IL, SW, Hock or Mystery Third Party Person.

You also said you've never met/spoken to Hock - so its not him.
IL is in the dark on all this (allegedly) - so its not him.
SW - Doubt he would tell you as such a rumour would jepordise his career.

This leaves Mr Third Party - why would he/she put such a rumour out and involve themselves with staff at the club?

???

Keep digging

If that is how you want to decipher it then thats up to you. I have been led to believe that Hock hasn't spoken directly to IL, that all conversation has been through his agent and also that contrary to any statement from the club Hock hasn't missed training or rehabilitation. I'm not claiming that everything I have been told is gospel, just that I believe most of it to be true, there are bound to be differences of opinion when information is coming from various sources but what I would class as the important information is pretty credible to me.

I'm not spreading rumours about the club or any individuals I'm merely giving my opinion based on information I have. (information that I have kept entirely to myself)

Joseph Goebbels - "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. "

It does not require the person making up the story to push it, just for others to beleive him and push it on their behalf.

Did Lenagan state in that press release that he had spoke "face to face" with Hock?

That's not interpretation, that is published in black and white.

Wigan chairman Ian Lenagan stood by Hock during his drugs ban, but added: "Gareth Hock has made it clear in face-to-face discussions with me and via his agent that he has no intention of playing for the Wigan club.

Is it not time this was locked, as it's just going round in ever decreasing circles now?

No what your saying is that you believe IL isn't telling the truth, aren't you?

I think Pie Eyed summed it up perfectly, we're going round in circles with rumour and innuendo that potentially could get some people into a lot of trouble. The main subject matter about Hock himself hasn't really been discussed for some time now, so it's probably best if we leave this thread alone for now.

Representation has been made to the site about some of the subject matter in this thread and "[ipeople from within the club are aware of the false comments....... and if it persists then they will persue the matter further.[/i"

I would suggest people don't repeat any of the rumours or even imply what they are, even by PM. Closing this thread doesn't mean people can start the same conversations on the Wane thread, thanks.