So what if were not spending the whole cap? If the right persons not available then i dont want us to sign some poor mans feka like sam moa and end up missing out on real quality in 2011. As long as we get a new coach im happy with what we have to go with next year. We are looking very good long term and thats all that matters, even if we re-signed trent barrett and got 2 of the best props in the world we probably wouldnt win something next year, people need to learn to be patient.

I wasnt complaining...

Great post.

Randoms like Hull KR, Hudds etc will never win anything because they always feel like they HAVE to sign new players every season. Teams like Saints and Leeds, sign people to either replace older players, or to strengthen a particular area. The randoms of SL just replace like with like, crap for crap.

Terrible post. You've managed to contradict yourself whilst dribbling that tosh out.

Well we've missed out on Jarryd.

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Lenagan thought he's matched the offer when he put $2 on the table over 4 years after not seeing the 'M' on the end of the Parra offer.

To be fair he did throw in a couple of schooners at the last minute.

What is incorrect in my statement?

Leeds have signed Delaney to replace Smith and Eastwood to replace Ellis. Thereby strenthening certain areas. St Helens have replaced the ageing gilmour with the spritely Soliola and have also signed Fozzard on a 1 year deal as a stop gap for the nailed on signing of Luke Bailey at the end of 2010 (hes already told Saints he signing them).

All the other randoms in SL just have a merry go round of playing staff that dont really improve their team with the exception of Hull FC who, for once, have recruited well.

=redCUT OUT THE INSULTS. PEMPS. If Wigan feel that the players available to them, arent as good as what they already have, then why should they sign anyone. Just go with what they already have until better players become available.

Tut Tut!

If we are [isignificantly[/i under it i.e. under it by enough so that a wage for a top class player could be offered but we are not going to spend that amount of money because the club is making a loss, then this is where the "rich chairman" comes in.

If this is the situation we are in then IL is presumably attempting to get the club in profit eventually but in the meantime he needs to speculate to accumulate IMO.

Subsidizing the wage of a top class player while he works towards profitability for the club are not incompatible things to be doing.

IMO if he does not do this he will find it a harder and slower process to get the club profitable.

Dave

How did Warrington manage to win the challenge cup with all the new players they have brought in over the last couple of years.

Just heard a rumour Celtic Crusaders are competing for his signature.

because you've underachieved for years anyway, and finally got a top class coach, but yet still underachieved in the league.

Fully agree. I would hope however that if we are under the cap, it is because during next season he is hoping to pull off another signing ala Gleeson, hopefully a house prop forward in the Pongia mould.

Watching the NRL semi final what i'd give for us to beat Wire to the signature of Moi Moi or somehow tempt Ben Hannant over!

Outstanding forwards who are as tough as they come.

Moi Moi's first spell was 30 mins aswell so he's no pudding.

But to be fair, he's been put on his backside at least three times in that first 40. [size=59I'd still have him in a heartbeat mind.[/size

He gets smashed all over the shop whenever i've seen him but he gets back up time and again and just keeps coming.

The amount of energy these big hits must take out of the defensive players is a plus point for his side also.

Get him and a fitter Feka in the same side and it's be fearsome.

Wire will always beat us to the signings of top players. when there chairman is willing to use other means to pay wages and ours doesnt seem to want and spend the full cap amount.

Thats how i see it and i hope i'm so wrong

I think thats how the majority see it.

If Wire could beat us to the signature of Moi Moi after the players they've already signed then something abit dodgy is obvioulsy going on but like i've said before I have no problem with that. If they have the cash why shouldn't they be able to aim high and spend it.

We just don't look prepared to get in any sort of bidding war for players but when your after the best(which is what Lenagan said we're after) theres always going to be interest from a few clubs.

What gets me tho is everyone can see whats going on but dont question it..i'm of the same opinion as you well done to wire for doing it..but if it was wigan there would be uproar and questions being asked.

It has happened at a number of clubs, ourselves included. Where was it that Steve Renouf's wife 'worked'?

All those loopholes have now been closed.

To be honest, it's very, very difficult for clubs now to bend the salary cap rules in order to accommodate signings they shouldn't legally be making.

I'm not sure where we stand on overseas payments, image rights, etc, but I was under the impression that those doors were also being shut.

If Warrington sign FFMM, I can only assume it's because they've got the cap space. Either that, or they're about to release more players.

See Cruncher's post WiganKnight.

Whats stopping a certain clubs Owner going upto his star overseas signings in the club carpark and handing him a bag containing 50k?

How could that be stopped or clamped down upon?