And please also bear in mind that Wane brought these players through from junior level, and has worked with MM for nearly three years... Oh, and we have been telling your posters here that you have an ageing team for 18 months now, but you choose not to listen. Well, until now when it is starting to bite and you need to "paper over cracks".

I've read a lot of fans from Wire but especially Saints pinning their hopes on Wigan failing due to Wane being a poor choice as head coach. He's a 'thick ape' according to some on the saints board and he'll see us crash and burn over the next few years.

It sounds like a few people are a little worried about these next few seasons.

Also, he's neglected to recognise that in the 'young team' we have, most of them played under Waney in the academy.

and would run through brick walls for him.

Our choice of assistant will be important but Waney will drive us on without doubt.

Yups..... Still, our rivals never let facts get in the way of an opinion.

Like most of us, i'm not party to the relationship twixt Wane and MM, but they certainly seem to get on together. I would suspect that this is not the end of that relationship, and the two will still speak and exchange ideas.

There's a real sense of deja vu in Saints and Wire fans pinning their hopes on Wigan crashing and burning.

Thats why I say it's mainly Saints fans that seem to be giving Wane plenty of stick because I believe they feel they're behind Wigan by a little way at the moment and they're losing one of their best 2 players in Graham at the end of the year.

As for Wire we've got what you want( though i'd use a line from Wires marketing team there) but I think your fans know that on any given day it's 50/50 between the 2 sides and your close enough to Wigan to just look after your own game.

you only have to watch the post match dressing room sing a long from wigan at the CC Semin Final game on the BBC the other week, Waney was very much part of that "camorardery" (typo) and SW is as much a part of the current successes on and off the pitch that wigan are enjoying as MM is.

if it wasn't for SW, MM wouldn't have half the players he does have at his disposal anyway.

Only my opinion. I think with Wigan being the glamour club of the comp, they need a big name to takeover the reigns. Wane may well go onto do a great job and good luck to him. I like the job Richard Marshall does at Wire, but I probably wouldn't want him as our next coach.

MM was only an assistant when we brought him in and hes doing ok isnt he? How was he a big name when he is doing a job hes never done before?

Dont you think Shaun Wane will of been watching Maguires every move this season and picking up tips on how to coach a successful team? In fact i cant see much changing next season apart from the guy in charge of the team and the assistant.

Agreed, but part of the reason MM has been so successful is he brought the latest techniques over from a champion club like Melbourne. The question is - will Wane be good enough to evolve Wigan's style of play once the game moves on (which it does, frequently and quickly, with the introduction of new coaches and new interpretations, together with other teams wising up to a certain style of play).

He may well be BTW, I haven't got a clue! But it's not a leap of faith to attribute your recent improvement to Maguire, nor is it a lepa of faith to suggest that you might suffer from losing what is obviously a tremendous head coach.

I like having British coaches though, so I grudgingly wish him well.

Or alternatively you could quote the Liverpool bootroom as evidence that evolution from within works. It all depends on the people involved. In the end no-one knows whether Wane is the right man for the job, just as we didn't know if Maguire was. In fact I distinctly remember many opposition fans telling us we had taken a 'huge gamble' or even made a 'big mistake' prior to that appointment too! I think the one thing we CAN say for certain is that most good judges would accept that Ian Lenagan is far more likely to appraise the situation correctly than you or I.