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| Quote: odemwingie "Noble should of taken a chance this season and not bothered signing Riddell or Roberts but signed a world class prop and a world class half back to teach Tomkins his trade.
We need to play our youngsters, they are the best in the league given the chance, you dont see teams filled with anyone elses players.'"
I disagree with this, in my opinion these two are not the problem signings because imo both these players add quality to the side. The two who should not have been re signed are Phelps and Mathers as they should be 3rd choice at best.
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| The biggest mistake was not to re-sign Dobson. Dobson and Sam Tomkins with Leuluai at hooker would have meant no need to sign Smith and Riddel. Phelps and Mathers were awful signings. Karl Pryce? Time will tell. Roberts shows great promise and look our best signing.
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| Quote: Mr Potato Head "The biggest mistake was not to re-sign Dobson. Dobson and Sam Tomkins with Leuluai at hooker would have meant no need to sign Smith and Riddel. Phelps and Mathers were awful signings. Karl Pryce? Time will tell. Roberts shows great promise and look our best signing.'"
Can't see him ever getting fully fit again
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| Quote: kirkamania6 "Can't see him ever getting fully fit again
He needs to do it. Nobody else can. At 20st he is simply too big.
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| Quote: ROBINSON "I don't hate Noble. I think he's great motivationally, but rubbish tactically.
In any case, when the above players came through, what alternative did we have?'"
Around play off time I agree but I would have to diagree for other times in the season
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| Quote: Mr Potato Head "The biggest mistake was not to re-sign Dobson. Dobson and Sam Tomkins with Leuluai at hooker would have meant no need to sign Smith and Riddel. Phelps and Mathers were awful signings. Karl Pryce? Time will tell. Roberts shows great promise and look our best signing.'" WE should have got Dobson as a priority , and kept colborn instead of Mathers and for much less, ok maybe not the best but great attitude and work rate always took the dirt ball in on his own 20.
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| Quote: warriorweed "I disagree with this, in my opinion these two are not the problem signings because imo both these players add quality to the side. The two who should not have been re signed are Phelps and Mathers as they should be 3rd choice at best.'"
Im not saying they are not quality but would bringing through our young players not be better in the long run?
We would be doing alot better now if we had a world class prop like big petro and a world class 6 like Barrett.
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| Quote: Mr Potato Head "He needs to do it. Nobody else can. At 20st he is simply too big.'"
It's down to him and him only
All we can do is hope
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| Quote: Mother Feka "J Tomkins - Picked because O'Loughlin was injured last year.
Goulding - Bit of an iffy one - was already gettin first team games when nobby was here
Prescott - He's 23!!
S Tomkins - Picked because Micky Mac was banned
Ainscough - Picked because Phelps is injured and Mathers was banned, lets face it if mathers only got one match ban we wouldnt have seen ainscough yet.
O'Carroll - Ill give you that one O'Carroll has come on leaps and bounds since nobby came.'"
can you give me an example of another coach bringing more through the ranks without any injuries/suspensions being involved?
The fact is you need a bit of luck to get your chance as a young kid (unless you are exceptional, but not many of those come around every year). But sticking with them once they get their chance is a sign of trust and in my eyes means he has brought some young kids through.
That said, Noble does like he's tried and trusted players (Think Withers) but if a youngster proves his worth Noble is often loyal to them as well
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| Quote: captain hotknives "WE should have got Dobson as a priority , and kept colborn instead of Mathers and for much less, ok maybe not the best but great attitude and work rate always took the dirt ball in on his own 20.'"
Agree with that, I would love to have Colbon in the squad instead of Mathers. Centres are more important than wingers and I would rather have a world class centre with Colbon on the wing that a winger with and average centre.
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| Look at the potential team under Nobby compared to the team when he arrived.
Richards
Roberts Bailey Carmont Ainscough
Tomkins Smith
Fielden Tommy O Carroll
Hock Lockers
Tomkins
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Hansen Feka Pryce Riddell
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Ashton
Calderwood McAvoy Vaeakilli Dallas
Orr Moron
Logan Higham Seuseu
Hock Fletcher
Lockers
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Hansen Godwin Tickle Hargreaves
and remember that team was VERY close to going down.
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| Quote: ROBINSON "McGuire returned, who at the time was far inferior to Pryce, as both results and performance proved beyond any doubt whatsoever. McGuire also did not gel with Sean Long, whereas Pryce had a world class combination going with Long.
So, yes, my argument is very convincing.'"
Isn't McGuire younger than Pryce thus putting a hole in your original statement re not giving young players a chance?
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| The extent people go to, to have a go at Noble!
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| Quote: jonh "Each you player needs handling differently, there is no right or wrong in this debate, there is no set model for every young player, each player needs bringing through and developing at a rate solely specific to them. quote]
I totally agree.
I'd add that where Wigan have got it wrong in recent years is not handling the off the field issues that adversely affect some young players (I'm not talking Sean Long here BTW). At 16 to 18 years of age, some of these kids are the main bread winners in their family, bringing-up younger siblings etc and, therefore, face serious off the field pressures - some of these kids are now first team players at other SL clubs.
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Look at the potential team under Nobby compared to the team when he arrived.
Richards
Roberts Bailey Carmont Ainscough
Tomkins Smith
Fielden Tommy O Carroll
Hock Lockers
Tomkins
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Hansen Feka Pryce Riddell
OR
Ashton
Calderwood McAvoy Vaeakilli Dallas
Orr Moron
Logan Higham Seuseu
Hock Fletcher
Lockers
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Hansen Godwin Tickle Hargreaves
and remember that team was VERY close to going down.'"
Jeez do you HAVE to post that old team? I am trying to erase it from my memory.
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