At 57 posts (not that it's a measure of quality) I'd have to question how this guy knows everything when IL does not.

To me this sounds more like a rumour that has been planted amidst the storm of Hock being removed. It's a bit naughty, but you only have to hook a couple of fans, to get it spread. The night Royce Simmons was sacked at Saints, several other stories came out, that where all fake. But given that we where already in the season and another match was due, none of them really took hold.

In the end IL and Hock have sat in the same room, if any of this other 3rd party stuff was true, Hock would have spoken about it and it would have been checked.

Everything else is just people latching onto others mischief.

In the name of wigan RLFC?
I know that's probably a slip of the tongue but I'd seriously reword that part of your post!

PS

Are you taking the bullying comment back yet?

I think there is a certain kind of fan who feels so honoured to be told anything by a player or a player's spokesmen that it never enters his head it may only be half the truth or even less than that, or that he might have been 'recruited' to put out a rumour in order to save the player's face.

FW's assertion is a case in point. It hinges entirely on his unquestioning belief that IL doesn't know what is going on under his nose in the club he rebuilt from top to bottom and packed with his own people, even though everyone else in the club apparently does. And FW's response when this position is queried - "IL doesn't know, that's all there is to it, you'll just have to accept it, etc" - is equally typical of that mindset; in other words, he can't face the possibility that he might have been duped.

The phrase 'don't believe everything you're told' is never more appropriate than when fans are hanging around players.

You are most likely, exactly right.

Do not take this the wrong way but you do not really know what we are talking about here. Most Wigan fans know what we are talking about when we mention a 3rd party. Nobody is going to mention who, none of us need to but none of us want to invite the problems that person brings. It may be difficult for you to comprehend but RL players can be silenced.

I have posted enough for the Wigan posters to know I say has some credence.

Last Son and Vectra are being bullied for simply posting something that a few regulars do not like. Whether you understand that is not my problem and what people post about what I say does not matter to me.

Forgive me for pointing thus out but no you haven't.

You've posted snippets of the rumours circulating round Wigan.
That does not mean they have any credence? It just means you know the rumours.

As an aside it's just struck me that it seems strange that none of these rumours were intimated too on any message boards until AFTER the Gaz hock loan deal and subsequent IL statement.

Seems strange to me that all those in the know weren't posting these ahem "Facts" previously?

Can some one PM with the alleged rumours going around I have not heard of any.

Good luck with that. Although if you do manage to get a solid answer from anyone then please do forward it on to me, because i am also completely in the dark!

Can the real third party stand up because i don't have a bloody clue who it is

Presumably, you heard the rumour from them? Just asking like.

Any chance you could please quote any evidence of bullying from posters on this thread as I've read through it all and failed to find any?

Thanks

To be honest, no-one is going to, because the rumours I've heard are extremely libelous. I'd be wary even of sending them in a pm, as that may still be classified as publishing them.

Last Son and Vectra have been challenged because both came on here professing to know what has gone on but refusing to say what or in any way give out any information - is it any wonder that they were not taken wholly seriously by some posters? It is sadly far too often that people come on here (just read the rumours thread for some classic examples) and say that know/have been told something but which later turns out to be inaccurate - so anyone saying they know about the Hock situation without giving any information is leaving themselves open to challenge.

As someone monitoring this thread with some interest I am still pretty much in the dark as to what has / has not / maybe has/ could have gone on (possibly not living in Wigan any more leaves me out of some of the more local rumours). Although some of the assertions do appear to be stretching credibility somewhat.

Until someone comes out with something concrete and more importantly verifiable I am going to take the clubs statement at face value and anything else as heresay until proven otherwise.

So they are too scared to tell IL, but not too scared to tell you?

Im sorry but I find that hard to fathom. And i really dont have a clue who this third party is. But it sounds to me a bit it could be Keyser Soze!

The entire White house management couldnt hide bill clinton getting a BJ off a member of his staff, but a employee of wigan rlfc can hide this from IL in a small town like wigan!