Which is why I posted back on page 39

First of all I haven't spread any malicious allegations. Just declared that I believe I know what has gone on, if you don't believe me I don't care.

Second of all I don't have a camp on here I speak purely for myself.


The last I will say on the matter is that I believe I know what has gone on, I can't see it coming anytime soon as hock distancing himself from the club will probably be the end of it. I'll also continue to freely and openly give my opinions on things as long as I see fit without the "clique" dismissing or trying to belittle me

I have stated quite clear from the word go that I wouldn't be going into detail and that I am happy for people to leave me to my beliefs

Now where are these personal insults you speak of??

Just so that I understand your position.

Do you think IL knows the full facts?
Do you think he has spoken to Wane, Hock, Radlinski, and some of the players?
If he did was this prior to issuing his statement?

i find this totally bizarre. He has clearly outlined his 'position' on numerous occasions let you are looking for more information?
There's nothing more to say on the topic. Any more highlights the repetitive nature of this forum.
It's clear posters have said all they can on the matter.

The rumours do suggest Ian Lenagan does not know what has happened and was left angry by the refusal of Gareth Hock and Shaun Wane now to divulge what happened. Ian Lenagan although he has sold is company is still reliant upon other employees to honestly inform him of what is happening. Perhaps Ian Lenagan was better with a Chief Executive such as Mick Hogan and Joe Lydon before him? Shame the fans forums ceased.

It does seem that Vectra and Last Son have been attacked by some other posters to the point of bullying.

So you don't think that the likes of Radlinski, Harris and Deacon know what's gone on and Lenagan wouldn't have asked them.

"The rumours do suggest Ian lenegahn does not know what's gone on!"

Unbelievable !

What happens if nothing has gone on and IL knows exactly what the position is?
IL does have employees working for him in that area such as kris radii ski and Simon collinson, are you suggesting they're in on it now?are all the senior players in on it as we'll and covering it up?

So I don't think it's unreasonable for people not to, without further evidence, if they choose to, not believe rumours on an Internet forum? Is that ok?

If I knew something but I couldn't back it up I wouldn't keep reiterating it over and over again to every men and his dog on an Internet forum that they were all deludedly as they didn't believe me. I'd maybe say hock wasn't 100% to blame on e issue then keep my mouth shut.

Unbelieveable! As someone who is relatively independent in this argument, I would say that Ian Lenaghan is one of the few people who does know what has gone on. The delay in making any kind of announcement will have been because Lenaghan has been consulting the club's solicitors prior to making a statement (he did the same thing with Gleeson). Some of the conspiracy theories on here are incredible, but in actual fact the thread has been 48 pages of people allegedly 'in the know' saying absolutely nothing.
Hock has gone. He won't be coming back (although his body language at the Widnes Press conference seemed to show he didn't want to be there), get used to it.

Whether IL knows or not or when he became aware we will never know unless one day he tells us.
In the statement he alludes to the role of Gaz Hock's agent, refers to Gaz refusing to play for Wigan and various requests for a pay increase.
After all that IL did say that he still believed Gaz Hock is a Wigan lad at heart.
IL and Wigan have retained his registration and loaned him out.
To me IL has left enough wriggle room for Hock to make a return sometime in the future. Changes of personnel may have to happen before that but purely on reading IL's statement I'm convinced that there is room in there for the player to come back.
Plenty players have gone on loan and not returned.
Planty have gone on loan and returned.
No real precedent one way or the other.

I will reply to you Rogues Gallery as you seem far more polite than Juke. The rumour states that Ian Lenagan asked the person implicated who is still at Wigan RLFC if he knew the third party or the club was connected to him in anyway. The suggestion is that the person implicated denied even knowing the third party to Ian Lenagan. The person implicated is a senior person which means nobody is saying anything and Gareth Hock has gone to Widnes. I think we have all worked in businesses and organisation where the boss is the last to know because people do not openly tell their senior bosses very much. The rumour also suggests that the senior employee and the third party were both involved in events surrounding Martin Gleeson.

Cue further abuse from Juke