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I think Sinfield is actually the slowest half-back I've ever seen. He makes Deacon (in his final season) look like Usain Bolt.

Simply nowhere near International standard for that position, and that goes for at least 5 more players in the team.

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Englishmen and women wanting England to lose. Words desert me. McNamara is clueless, we all know that, but I'd support England even if Ian Millward was the coach and he picked the cheerleaders to make up the pack.
The England job should not be full-time. There's just no need for it with the number of games played during the season, but the powers that be seem intent on it.

As for the team, a second row at centre, a loose forward at stand-off and a stand-off at scrum half. McNamara is stealing a living.

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Chase isn't English and Sinfield isn't good enough as a stand-off or loose forward so halves would be Brough and Brown/Lomax for me. JJB has never been good enough. Tickle has looked good this year on the few times I've seen him but I would have picked Westwood instead of him had he been fit. Micky Mac should start at hooker on current form with Roby coming off the bench. Finally to Ablett, who is never an international in a million years in any position, let alone centre. Goulding is the centre to the league's leading try scorer and is in excellent form himself. Surely any decent coach would, given the choice, pair Josh and Daz up at international level.

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We need him to not get sacked the same time as McDermott gets sacked otherwise we'll get that clown running the show then, then forget Ablett at centre the whole team will be made up of 2nd rows bar Tomkins at 1, even he's not that stupid.

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Quote: Catalancs "Yes. Why do people continually go out of their way to post about their apathy towered international rugby league? One of life's great mysteries.'"


They're the same people who will be outraged and heart-broken should Sam Tomkins follow his brother to Rugby Union with the chance to play in a far more thriving international scene.

My outrage towards the appointment of McNamara & now his team selections is because I care about international RL, as I suspect many others who are vexed with him do, because we realise that a thriving International scene with a successful England RL is what this sport needs. I genuinely believe we have a plethora of English talent that is capable of winning the World Cup next year and that tantalizing image is being shattered by this clueless incompetent Yarrrkshire buffoon who is in the highest coaching position in English RL at a time when we finally have some genuine world-class players who can compete with the best players in the world.

You just look at RL forums across the UK, the media & all over social networking sites like twitter - the entire RL community is perplexed wtih McNamara's team selections. It's simply ridiculous. Even if one was to overlook the fact Cudjoe was picked over Goulding (and Atkins was ignored earlier in the year) to now pick an average-joe second row convert who is playing in an out of form team to partner a kid whose centre is in red hot form sending him in for tries for fun in the side that is top of the league... words fail me. To then say that Huddersfield played on monday which explains Brough and Cudjoe's absence is then further baffling and contradictory with him then handing a starting spot for Eorl Crabtree. He then argues that he's looking for continuity (in that ridiculously thick Yorkshire accent that is inherently annoying) in the halves with Chase & Sinfield. Chase/Sinfield were not a successful partnership. We did not win the Four Nations last year. Danny Brough was cut and above Kevin Sinfield but was injured. Surely now is the time to try him out? Kevin Sinfield is primarily a 13 & has been in awful form so far this season. To pick him over Brough is just tiresomely stupid.

I'll not start on naming 34 year old grey haired Jamie Peacock as captain... ironic how he can argue about 'continuity' & yet name him as captain/starting spot in the front row. Can we really see Jamie Peacock playing in the World Cup in 2013?

Sadly under McBanana the answer has to be yes.

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If England getting spanked = Mc Banana getting the bullet then so be it.
Short term pain for long term gain!!

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Quote: Wire_in_Wigan "For crying out loud, you might not have the players selected that you wanted to be selected, i know i dont, but to want your own country to get ''spanked'' in a international game is just silly.'"


As others have pointed out, it's worth losing a couple of meaningless games if it results in McNamara going. The option of scraping wins against the Exiles, cruising against France and Wales, then getting spanked again in the World Cup is worse. Even if he stays, losing might get through to him that his selections are flawed (to put it mildly).

It's not just at international level either. I know a lot of people that were glad we got hammered by Wakefield away in 2006, because it meant the end of agent Millward.

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Quote: Pemps "Other than the fact that he's not English, I don't really have too much of a problem with the inclusion of Chase but I would have paired him with Brough.'"


He isn't a scrum half. If we have to play Sinfield, I rate Brough above Chase. The Sinfield-Chase halfback 'partnership' just really doesn't work for me, they just don't work well together.

As for Ablett, he isn't even a first choice centre at the club in 9th(?) place, where the first choice centres are both English. How he can possibly be England's centre is beyond me.

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Quote: Bovrick "He isn't a scrum half. If we have to play Sinfield, I rate Brough above Chase. The Sinfield-Chase halfback 'partnership' just really doesn't work for me, they just don't work well together.

As for Ablett, he isn't even a first choice centre at the club in 9th(?) place, where the first choice centres are both English. How he can possibly be England's centre is beyond me.'"


Chase and Brough would be infinitely better IMO, God only knows why McBanana keps going with him. Having him at 6 at the expense of Gaz Widdop in last year's 4N was ludicrous but to stick with it almost a year later is plain stupid.

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I’d back a combination team of Wigan and Warrington players
Coached by Wane and Smith

Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Atkins
Riley
Briers
O’Brien
Mossop
Mcllorum
Carvell
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Westwood,
O’loughlin

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Hughes

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Quote: Wire_in_Wigan "For crying out loud, you might not have the players selected that you wanted to be selected, i know i dont, but to want your own country to get ''spanked'' in a international game is just silly.'"



i had to get a glass of water then i started to feel funny, i actually agree with you.

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Quote: Mountain Man "I’d back a combination team of Wigan and Warrington players
Coached by Wane and Smith

Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Atkins
Riley
Briers
O’Brien
Mossop
Mcllorum
Carvell
Hock
Westwood,
O’loughlin

Hill
Farrell
Harrison
Hughes'"


this team is stronger than the one for england.

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Quote: dubairl "this team is stronger than the one for england.'"


Of course it is, McNamara has nothing to do with it.

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Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "the team should be something like

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Darrell Goulding
4. Ryan Atkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Rangi Chase
7. Danny Brough
8. Lee Mossop
9. James Roby
10. Eorl Crabtree
11. Gareth Hock
12. Danny Tickle
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Mike McIllorum
15. Andy Lynch
16. Gareth Carvell
17. Jamie Jones Buchanan

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spot on for me, plus with the NRL players joining at the end of season we could have a very exciting team on our hands but sadly we wont get to see it any time soon with McNamara picking the team.

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Quote: Mountain Man "I’d back a combination team of Wigan and Warrington players
Coached by Wane and Smith

Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Atkins
Riley
Briers
O’Brien
Mossop
Mcllorum
Carvell
Hock
Westwood,
O’loughlin

Hill
Farrell
Harrison
Hughes'"

Briers is Welsh

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