I've watched united home, away and across Europe and really don't think there is anything to be concerned about with the Brigantes group! It's a million miles away from any football type trouble!

I GIVE UP!!!

The problem being, their acting in the very same way the saints fans did that you were calling intimidating and having potential to cause a riot!

Behaving like this through a town centre is intimidating, offensive, and has potential for kick off!

Have a sing and a craic with your mates in the pub and in the ground - no one here is the fun police quite often we will get two sets of fans in a pub singing back and forth at each other which is banter, a good craic and a laugh, and one of the things im proud our game can do that others cant!

It is completely different to blocking the road of the town centre, singing offensive chants about the town you are in, covering up your faces with scarves, and looking more akin to a football hooligan following or the EDL than rugby league supporters!

Behave like this at wire and it will kick off as Horatio has just said - This is what the majority of people want to avoid!

The other point he has also just perfectly demonstrated is no one is accusing you of purposly acting in a way that has potential to cause trouble, intimidate people, or being offensive, but just because you're not meaning to act in this way, doesnt mean that your actions can be seen to incite trouble or intimidate or offend people!

I know some rough people, when i'm with them i don't feel intimidated in fact i feel quite comfortable because i know them and they're my friends, whereas if i walked in to a pub and saw them and i didn't know them i'd be very weary of them.

You're not seeing the full picture or understanding human nature.

Whos to say that anyone in st helens didnt think your chants and behaviour was directed at them?

The issue here is its in the perception, and the vast majoirty are telling you that your actions, while perhaps not intended, do have potential to be perceived as causing offence, being threatening, intimidatory, or inciting trouble.

Surely in the cold light of day you can see that walking though a town centre singing that it is full of s^^t has this potential - In the same way that moreso singing W@nky Warrington will have if you do that when we go there! There are people there who wont even be going to the game or may not know a game is going on (granted they'd have to be dim on good friday but there is still potential)

This for them, is the same as me rocking up in the centre of liverpool tomorrow, with a banner and 40 lads singing anti liverpool songs, and this is only one aspect of the behaviour that is problematic!

Embarrassing video.

Brigantes have done a great job with the flags and improving atmosphere at games and all the new songs, but all that should stay at games. Walking in the middle of the road stopping traffic with a big flag singing obscenities about the town is just pathetic, giving Wigan fans a bad name.

They're not really doing anything wrong from what I can see i.e directly threatening anyone, but I just don't see the point of it.

walking in the middle of the road stopping traffic I think would be the first thing!!

some members of that group are starting to try and look like characters out of green street. and that is what will cause trouble. if saints have a group what did that and walked past last orders in wigan there would be alot of trouble as just the look of the fans is starting to look like a football firm.

2 wrongs don't make a right!

scarfs arround faces implies you don't want to be recognised if criminal proceedings were to follow. so looking for trouble yes without doubt... or perhaps wanting to look hard or menacing in some way ( living up to the ultra label in some small way)


wigan rugby is full of ars*holes, that's a new one on me, doubt it rhymes very well! doesn't roll off the tongue too well

Why scarves round your head!!!?

Why arrogantly hold up traffic!!!?

All the good work done by the group in the last year or so, now ruined by this embarrassing video.

Cheers

Bit clueless as to why we were brought into this when I defended them earlier in the thread? Each to their own.

I actually closed the video down after about 30 seconds because it was too cringeworthy (similar to how i can't watch videos of me dunk) so didn't see them blocking buses/cars as everyone else seems to be indicating. Maybe that's going a bit too far but I certainly don't have a problem with them singing a few songs on their way to the ground.

+1

That is embarassing. I'm guessing that's what happens when you visit Warrington and meet violence when you haven't done "anything". The Brigantes idea is a great concept, if done nicely and not in a antagonistic way. The falgs and banners etc look great but come on lads.

Scarves around faces is the main problem. No need for that! I've never heard of the group involved in any trouble or being violent. And for the record I'm not in the video, I was in the pub as I said previously.