A RL peaks between 25 and 28. He should be playing regular first team by the age of 20. The best younger.

O'Carrol is from Oldham, McILorum from Leeds

Defo.

With a win against Bradford, confidence building for Leeds with Sam and Ainscough in the squad people will soon be behind Noble again.

If Wigan do win against Bradford and Leeds not only will they very good wins but we will defiantly have cause for optimism, but we will still be on 6 games played 3 W - 3 L.

People will truly start to get behind Noble (me included) and the pressure will be relieved when we put a run of about five or six straight wins together matched with good performances in those wins. It’s not something he’s managed to do, apart from in his first season, yet and it will be a true marker that we’ve left the inconsistency of the previous two seasons behind.

I personally will be just as gutted as I was after the three loses we’ve had if we go 2 Leeds and Win and then mess up by losing to Salford the week after. In previous seasons that’s what has happened and it’s very worrying.

I think Noble has given a fair few kids a chance. They ultimately have to be good enough to make that step up when they get a chance. We had a few injuries, Noble thought Ainscough was good enough to play Super League. So far, seems like that trust is justified. I also think J Tomkins has come on a lot under Noble.

Noble has been at Wigan 3 years and youth development has gone backwards. Joel Tomkins was repesenting and starring for England in 2004. He was outstanding in a troubled Wigan era under Millward. He was then given no opportunities until Noble had no choice.

Noble should of taken a chance this season and not bothered signing Riddell or Roberts but signed a world class prop and a world class half back to teach Tomkins his trade.

We need to play our youngsters, they are the best in the league given the chance, you dont see teams filled with anyone elses players.

I disagree with this, in my opinion these two are not the problem signings because imo both these players add quality to the side. The two who should not have been re signed are Phelps and Mathers as they should be 3rd choice at best.

The biggest mistake was not to re-sign Dobson. Dobson and Sam Tomkins with Leuluai at hooker would have meant no need to sign Smith and Riddel. Phelps and Mathers were awful signings. Karl Pryce? Time will tell. Roberts shows great promise and look our best signing.

Can't see him ever getting fully fit again

Around play off time I agree but I would have to diagree for other times in the season

WE should have got Dobson as a priority , and kept colborn instead of Mathers and for much less, ok maybe not the best but great attitude and work rate always took the dirt ball in on his own 20.

Im not saying they are not quality but would bringing through our young players not be better in the long run?

We would be doing alot better now if we had a world class prop like big petro and a world class 6 like Barrett.

It's down to him and him only

All we can do is hope

can you give me an example of another coach bringing more through the ranks without any injuries/suspensions being involved?

The fact is you need a bit of luck to get your chance as a young kid (unless you are exceptional, but not many of those come around every year). But sticking with them once they get their chance is a sign of trust and in my eyes means he has brought some young kids through.

That said, Noble does like he's tried and trusted players (Think Withers) but if a youngster proves his worth Noble is often loyal to them as well