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| Quote: terryb "Lets just face it every team in Australia etc has a full back who must be good.
In my view we do not have a full back who would get a game in the NRL. This is a sad state of affairs.'"
To be fair they're not all in the same class as Billy Slater, Jarryd Hayne, Matt Bowen, or Karmichael Hunt (before he had his head turned by $$). There are fullbacks who are more like ours have been (defence orientated) like Kurt Gidley
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| I too would say Lockyer is the best full-back I have seen whilst watching the game. I appreciate there may have been better before him in some people's eyes but in the modern era he is my stand out choice.
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "To be fair they're not all in the same class as Billy Slater, Jarryd Hayne, Matt Bowen, or Karmichael Hunt (before he had his head turned by $$). There are fullbacks who are more like ours have been (defence orientated) like Kurt Gidley'"
And to add to that i think that Shaun Briscoe acquited himself very well in the four nations for England.
Lance Hohaia however is certanly not solid although he remains a quality player for New Zealend. Surely the Kiwi's have better options at full back?
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| Quote: NickyKiss "He made the error in the world cup final and that could well hang over his head for the rest of his career and beyond but besides that he's pretty reliable.................i wouldn't say no if Melbourne fancy offloading him
It's not just one error though, is it? His one on one tackling is suspect.
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "Slater's defence is fantastic, don't let one or two incidents make you think otherwise.'"
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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| Maybe Kevin Sinfield should be added to the list. He would get more votes than Slater.
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| Quote: dany1979 "Its a random selection of players and others have already mentioned other full backs that really should of been included as they were as good as if not better than the players you listed.
In my life time i have not seen a more complete full back than Darren Lockyer and it is very much debatable as to whether he will be remembered more as a great stand-off or a great full back, probably both and deservadley so.
Whilst Slater and Minichello before him are both world class full backs they do have weaknesses, particularly in defence. Slater has the ability to just create something out of nothing in attack but he also has the odd brain explosion from time to time.
Darren Lockyer was and still is simply bullet proof.'"
No, it comes from a post on Facebook about Rads new position in the club, i stated that he was the greatest a true legend and some other bloke claimed that Slater and Webb where better due them scoring more tries during games, my argument was that a Fullbacks main job was to be the last line of defence and to support players in attack, if they score trys than thats a bonus but their main job is to stop trys being score and there was nobody better at doing that than Rads, maybe i should have worded the title differently, i also only added Wellens in there ti see if he would actually get a vote
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| Quote: Baked Bean Boogie "No, it comes from a post on Facebook about Rads new position in the club, i stated that he was the greatest a true legend and some other bloke claimed that Slater and Webb where better due them scoring more tries during games, my argument was that a Fullbacks main job was to be the last line of defence and to support players in attack, if they score trys than thats a bonus but their main job is to stop trys being score and there was nobody better at doing that than Rads, maybe i should have worded the title differently, i also only added Wellens in there ti see if he would actually get a vote'"
I'm sure Rads easily outscored Brent Webb anyway. He was a master of support play and would get 20+ trys in a season for us on a regular basis.
For anybody to try and put Brent Webb in the same class as Kris Radlinski is totally bonkers.
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| Just checked Career stats and it's-
Rads 183 trys in 322 games
Webb 74 trys in 150 games
Which makes it pretty close on a trys per game ratio but Rads is in the lead and the rest of his game was a million times better then Webb.
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| Lockyer then some distance before the rest IMO.
Of the poll I'd say Radlinski was possibly a safer defender than Slater but wasn't as good in attack.
I've not seen a fullback as good under a high ball as Steve Hampson.
However they're all complete shiiiiiiiiiite compared with Michael Platt.
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| Quote: Baked Bean Boogie "No, it comes from a post on Facebook about Rads new position in the club, i stated that he was the greatest a true legend and some other bloke claimed that Slater and Webb where better due them scoring more tries during games, my argument was that a Fullbacks main job was to be the last line of defence and to support players in attack, if they score trys than thats a bonus but their main job is to stop trys being score and there was nobody better at doing that than Rads, maybe i should have worded the title differently, i also only added Wellens in there ti see if he would actually get a vote'"
I suppose you can only really make that argument if you have access to NRL games as like myself a lot of people can only base what they have seen purely on the four nations tournament with regards to Billy Slater.
The perception of the qualities of a world class full back may well differ in the northern and southern hemisphere. The Australians have been blessed with some truly dynamic players who can create something from nothing and can play very well in a number of positions.
Brett Hodgson is another typical example who has had a huge impact on Superleague and typifies the depth of quality that Australia produce.
Your in for a tough job of convincing them otherwise.
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| My favorite full backs were Steve Prescot and Dave Lyon - both had pace and were great going forward.
Radlinski is probably the best all round full back - Wellens great club man who for a lack of pace has made up for it over the years with great positional play and a steady hand under the high kick. Without either of those he would have failed miserably as a full back.
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "He's fantastic at one on one tackling and positions his body spot on when it comes to try line tackling making sure he gets under the ball.
Like a lot of the Australian players, he didn't have the best tournament of his life but still found enough to tear us a new one when he needed to. He's the best fullback in the world by a margin (and that includes Jarryd Hayne - who again if you go off the four nations, you'd be thinking he was poor when infact he's a scarily good player) and has been for a couple of years now.'"
I rate his defence when he gets in the right position but he gets found out sometimes when trying to read the attacking line. The 2 kiwi tries involving Hohia in the 4 Nations really highlight this, and it is something i have seen him struggle with throughout his career. If it is a one on one then I would back him all day.
His ability to read the attacking line is the only aspect that lets him down in defence, but it is highlighted as a weakness as he is so good in other areas. In relative terms he does still have a pretty good defence.
What I like about him most is his ability to put his team on the front foot right from the off his kick return is second to non.
I think Rads was an exceptional player and by far the stand out British fullback of his generation, but i do not think you would ever label him World Class, at least I would not, i think he just missed out on that tag.
Slater for me is World Class, to be the top fullback in Australia when you look at the depth and quality they have in that department almost ensures you have to be World Class to be at the top of that tree.
For this reason Slater is the greatest fullback of those offered in my opinion. Physically he is a generation ahead of any fullback playing rugby league and that is what makes him so good.
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| Quote: jonh "I rate his defence when he gets in the right position but he gets found out sometimes when trying to read the attacking line. The 2 kiwi tries involving Hohia in the 4 Nations really highlight this, and it is something i have seen him struggle with throughout his career. If it is a one on one then I would back him all day.
His ability to read the attacking line is the only aspect that lets him down in defence, but it is highlighted as a weakness as he is so good in other areas. In relative terms he does still have a pretty good defence.
What I like about him most is his ability to put his team on the front foot right from the off his kick return is second to non.
I think Rads was an exceptional player and by far the stand out British fullback of his generation, but i do not think you would ever label him World Class, at least I would not, i think he just missed out on that tag.
Slater for me is World Class, to be the top fullback in Australia when you look at the depth and quality they have in that department almost ensures you have to be World Class to be at the top of that tree.
For this reason Slater is the greatest fullback of those offered in my opinion. Physically he is a generation ahead of any fullback playing rugby league and that is what makes him so good.'"
To be fair to Slater, he made a mistake in the world cup final and had by his standards a poor four nations. Anybody who's seen enough NRL over the past few seasons or Origin will backup the fact that his defence is actually really good. As good as Rads at his absolute best? Probably not (though 1 on 1 it's actually a hell of a lot closer than some people - not you jonh, would have us believe).
Also to be fair, he faces on average a significantly better standard of attacking threat than any fullback in super league week in week out.
Overall as a fullback in the modern game, there's nobody on the planet who i'd have before Slater in my team.
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| My other favourite non Wigan fullback would have to be Jonathan Davies, who was a fantastic all round player.
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