GH found out SW shot JFK and was behind 9/11.

Stick that up your pipe Mr Moderator.

If it's what I've been told he's absolutely correct to not repeat it and certainly not to post it, and neither will I.

And if it was posted, it would be removed instantly anyway.

There are many stories doing the rounds and I've heard several via people at Salford, Leigh and other places, but this one has details I wouldn't expect anyone to fabricate, and even a little evidence to back it up.

As someone who criticised Hock earlier in the thread, [iIF[/i what I've heard is true I retract that criticism. I just hope it's not.

Just to be objectionable as i have only heard a few bits and bobs regarding the "truth". Is it not possible that these rumours could not have been created purely to slander SW and to protect GH?

Without asking you to divulge, is what you have heard within the realms of possibility?

So do you reckon IL is in on this then?
Seems strange that within his negotiations with IL and via his agent no-one seems to have mentioned to IL that these things are going on?

And if they have and IL has chosen to do what he has (Ignore it?) then I can only assume that he's in on the whole thing?

Even then you would think that Hock would be able to speak to the players union etc about it not to mention any official law enforcement people.

If "The Issue" that started all of this is Hock related then I fail to see how moving 10 miles to another club is going to stop this from happening.

If thge issue is Wane related and he brought the problem into the club to deal with Hocks problems then number 1 - Hock started the original problem & 2 - I fail to see how if there wasn't an issue to begin with & Wane brought the problem into the club how it could be shielded from the Chairman who is currently standing by him - Unless you think that IL is in on it?

Top line for me is this

If there is some 3rd party involved then either Hock was involved in something he shouldnt have been in the first place and got said 3rd party involved OR Wane dealt with afore mentioned issue by bringing said 3rd party into it and wether you like that way of dealing with things or not there was already an issue to begin with.

If there wasn't an issue with Hock to begin with until Wane created one then I can't understand how this would get past IL and why the other players that are going to Leave because of it aren't running to anyone who'll listen about this?

PS

If Wane was involved in anything to do with what happened with Gleeson then I don't remember Gleeson Bad mouthing Wigan or its officals rather the opposite & wasn't Maguire the coach at the time so surely he would have been in on it?
Yet more conspiracy!

Oh and PPS - I've heard the numerous rumours & to be honest I'd heard them nearly 3 months ago and I'm afraid that none of them seems plausible enough to me to lead me to believe that things where so bad Hock couldn't have spoken out in one way or another or in fact any of his actions since i.e Being relatively Happy with a move to Widnes - show that the problem was as bad as what the rumours suggest.

Could be but it's damned elaborate if it is and certain aspects related to the story are actual verifiable facts anyway.



It's quite possible but what makes it hard to believe is if it is true it really is quite shocking. I'd also expect it to come out one way or the other if there was anything in it sooner or later. What I will say is IL was left with no option given the way things ended up with Hock but that doesn't mean there are not others who's actions forced Hock down this path in the first place. If it is true and does come out heads will roll. All the stuff about the shirt, pay rises, not training are nothing to do with it.

Exactly as DaveO says.

And as he says, if true I expect it'll all come out one day and it won't be pretty for anyone concerned, or the club.

Come back when you can hold a conversation without trying to offend.

Well that was a load of waffle. Like I said believe what you want. I seriously don't care what you are many of the posters on here think.

This is now going round in circles.

Hock has spoken to the players association

Was that just to make sure that now there is nobody at all who hasn't heard it? Because every Wigan fan I've spoken to today is already aware of this story.

Can you PM what the rumour is or anyone else that has an knowledge of what it is. Do not live anywhere near Wigan to hear it.

I'm in the same boat. So a PM would be great please.
Thanks

Me too please!

That's a pretty pointless statement.

I have spoken to a judge, magistrate, police officer and solicitor but about what?

Hock speaking the players association could have resulted in the reply "you have done what, keep you mouth shut you idiot" based on the drivel in this thread or "yes, they have you by the balls, tough".

All I can say is that the management have chosen to let him go, pointing out that he wanted to leave to a major competitor (presumably even closer to home). And that IL, Maguire and Wane have been disappointed with his attitude on the whole.

Clearly his actions have lead to such a distaste in the club that the club have chosen to make sure that he can't do anything against Wigan and limit his career choices whilst the contract runs. I can't remember the club doing anything like this to any other player, which in my mind speaks volumes.

I still find it difficult to believe that Wigan is being run by 3rd parties. Every club has it's ghost stories, but some 3rd party getting players removed by a millionaire IL.

It just seams very wild.

Usually Twitter is the place to find out all the weird rumours, not heard much on there.