Not only that, but what a stupid game to pick if he's trying to make out George isn't a world class player. George played very well indeed against St George, giving the St George defence problems all through the game. He looked to be one of the best players on the park.

No no no. There are lots of oustanding talents in many positions of tomkin standard and at the next level coming through in oz every year or are seasoned pro's I could have added more thaiday, yow ye, civonaciva. The point is tomkin is the outstanding talent in SL but the NRL is full of outstanding talent.

Outstanding talent ripping it up against outstanding talent week in week out.

The fullback thing you mention is a good point to discuss. There is still big debate amongst pies about tomkin as a 1 or a 6 he has a lot of development to go in which is his best position, defence, kicking and ball playing! Marshal has played winger, fullback, a fair bit at centre, 6 as well as 7! I didn't even put inglis on the list! His best position is regarded as fullback but there is talk of madge moving him back to 6 where he played a season and a half for the storm but he has played a lot a centre! Thurston is a 7 but is gonna be the origin 6! Boyd plays wing, centre , 6 but has been turned into a fullback but the word is he will be the knights 6. the best outstanding talents are diverse! Tomkin would be another awesome talent amongst many in the NRL with much development to go. In SL he is pretty much the only outstanding young British talent. Some of you pies already have him infront of slater? Who is regarded as the best. Tomkin is awesome but has some way to go.

Agree 10000000%

Ironically he came to Super League the same time as Matt King the player that terrorised sides at International level, SOO even the NRL. Carmont is a much better player in SL than King more than likely for the last 2 years has been the best centre in SL.

As for Tomkins V Slater argument. Its easier to play well in an Australian side than an England side as in all positions the Australina dont have a weakness. Slater will get a lot more space so will be more devestating. I bet any side i the world would love to have either in their side. As most see it Slater is the best atm but Tomkins is younger and the second best in the world atm. Something no other SL player can say.

There are kids and seasoned pro's doing what tomkin does and more every week in the NRL Dugan, Boyd, beal, loche, barba, Bowen, Hoffman. That's just fullbacks doing it in a tougher comp.

In terms of backs I reckon you could put Jonny Lomax and Josh Charnley in that bracket albeit a year or so behind in development and Kyle Eastmond would have been if he had kept his head on playing RL rather than the Union cash. Richie Myler is showing the odd flash of brilliance, but might just be another McGuire style support player. The young hooker at Cas, Daryl Clark also has shown the potential to be the best British hooker since KFC. Richard Owen is getting back to what he looked like being before his injury. Tom Briscoe is an outstanding winger that gets better and better. Ben Jones-Bishop looks a real talent. Jermaine McGillvary has blossomed this season.

In terms of forwards I'd add Lee Mossop and Liam Farrell who again is a year or so behind in development - being outstanding isn't always about flash. Liam Watts looked to be heading in a similar direction before his brush with the law

SL has plenty young players to be proud of, with tons of potential, but they won't be world beaters overnight.

Sam can only beat what is in front of him. Put him in any NRL side, give him a few seasons to adapt and barring injury he'd be a match for any current Aussie player. No disrespect to the names mentioned, but he's the type of instinctive natural talent that only comes around every 10 -15 years - I think its legimate to compare him with Slater when both were at the same stage of their careers (rather than like for like at present), given the additional potential Tomkins has. I just don't buy into this "because they are Aussie and in the NRL they are automatically better", its the same old British inferiority complex that has hampered us for years. We have and have had World Class players over the last twenty years, just not enough to fill a competitive international team.

Worst troll ever, fire off back on your own board Ron, absoulute grade 1 muppet.

I'd argue James Roby could say it too, on his form this season. I also wouldn't say there's a "second best" fullback, I'd say it's between Hayne, Dugan and Tomkins who are all about at the same level IMO.

Roby's workrate and durability is second to none in RL and his strength is unreal for his size, but his attacking style is still fairly one dimensional based on dummy half scoots that pad out his stats. When Saints are prevented from a quick PTB, as in our game at Halton, he can be nullified. An excellent player no doubt, but not an instinctive natural talent.

I have no doubt tomkin will be one of the best players in the world for a long time. but I think a bit more of an open minded realistic view is needed.

I'd say I am open minded, I'm not denying the quality of the top Aussie players and the greater depth of those players that play in the NRL. However the talent is spread throughout the league and is not uniformly brilliant by any stretch. On a consistent match by match basis the NRL is more intense than SL, but the concentration of quality player in the Wigan and Warrington teams is at least equal to 75% of the NRL sides. If Tomkins can rip it up again ex Internationals, ex SoO players and squad fillers in the Warrington side, he could undoubtedly do the same against average NRL sides with the odd International, SoO rep and abundant squad fillers.

Cause any discussion about yesterday's game will make him cry.

This.