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| Quote: FearTheVee "I love this overly simplistic view of hookers "outperforming", judged in blissful isolation of the pack they are behind. It's just such utter nonsense.
How do you reckon Roby would have fared behind packs as dominant as Wigan's has been in recent seasons against Saints? He would have absolutely crucified Saints behind that Wigan pack.
MM is a hard hitting (but hit and miss) defender and a true 100% player, which is why Wigan fans love him and I can understand that.
But Roby he ain't, he's not even very close.
Roby has been poor this year by his standards (and I don't know how many games MM has played by comparison) but for thise calling him just a stat machine, how about:
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4 tries - MM zero
9 assists - MM zero
25 busts - MM 8
4 clean breaks - MM 1
8 attacking kicks - MM zero
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MM missing nearly four times as many of his tackles made than Roby (despite Roby doing a gigantic amount more work in both attack and defence)
4 penalties - MM 6
Let's be honest - it's Roby by plenty as pretty much any non-Wigan fan would agree.'"
Stats lie. Just going back one game to the Leeds game MM should be awarded an assist for Wigan's first try. He made it with his dominant run and quick play the ball. Just one example.
To answer the OP, for Wigan I'm wouldn't swap him with anyone however I would happily fake a Roby, Clark or Lunt to come off the bench.
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| Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "Stats lie. Just going back one game to the Leeds game MM should be awarded an assist for Wigan's first try. He made it with his dominant run and quick play the ball. Just one example.
To answer the OP, for Wigan I'm wouldn't swap him with anyone however I would happily fake a Roby, Clark or Lunt to come off the bench.'"
So if you get a quick play the ball in the tackle prior to a try then you should get an assist?
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| Quote: Nogga "There's a topic on the VT about English hookers. Fans of other clubs clearly don't rate (don't like) him.
I stated that I wouldn't swap him for any other English hooker. People on there are saying the likes of Lunt, Hodgson and Houghton are better than McIlorum.
Roby and Clarke are in the top three with McIlorum imo.
For me Roby isn't the threat he once was and I don't fear him like I once did, although he is still a top quality player.
Clarke has the x-factor and does the eye catching stuff but I haven't seen enough of him to judge his all round game.
Would any Wigan fan swap Micky Mac for any other English hooker? If yes, who would you swap him for and why?'"
The truth is somewhere inbetween. He's nowhere near as bad as opposition fans claim, he's underrated in that regard.
But he's probably not as good as some wigan fans make out either.
I like him as a hooker and would take him at leeds. He's clever and aggressive. He doesn't have the running game the likes of roby have, but they don't have his guile.
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| 1st October 2011, the last time Roby got the better of MM in a head to head.
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| Quote: Finfin "1st October 2011, the last time Roby got the better of MM in a head to head.'"
Not this again. Hookers do not play 1 v 1!!!
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Not this again. Hookers do not play 1 v 1!!!'"
But no better way of finding the better player.
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| Quote: Finfin "But no better way of finding the better player.'"
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Hookers do not play head to head so therefore the outcome of games does not represent who is the better player. That's ridiculous.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "That makes no sense whatsoever.
Hookers do not play head to head so therefore the outcome of games does not represent who is the better player. That's ridiculous.'"
Until the day when Roby gets the upper hand in a game.
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| McIlorum fits into Wigan pack's aggressive style of play.
Roby is a different type altogether who's running game suits Saints style of play.
Wigan fans, including me, think McIlorum gets the better of Roby because the Wigan pack have been winning the battle v the Saints forwards in most games since the start of 2010 season.
Wigan have won 6 trophies in four season, Saints none!
That doesn't mean that I don't rate Roby very highly, I do! On form he is the best around providing the team he plays in is the type that suits him.
One big downside for Roby is that Saints are playing him 80 mins every game every season. That just can't go on. They'll burn him out. Howarth was borrowed last year when Roby was injured then sent back. If this 80 mins continues then he will have a short playing career as injuries and loss of form will catch up with him.
Great player Roby, Saints will have to look after him though!
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| We can argue this till the cows come home,but IMO it really depends on how the rest of the side is set up. MM fits into the wigan set up, I don't think Roby would suit Wigans style of play or or MM would suit Saints.
They both work well with the 12 other players and the coaches game plan.
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| Quote: Finfin "Until the day when Roby gets the upper hand in a game.'"
If the next time Saints beat Wigan I claimed that Wilkin was better than O'Loughlin you would all tell me how ridiculous I was being. I would never claim any player was better than any other based on their team beating the opposition. It simply doesn't work like that.
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| Quote: Father Ted "McIlorum fits into Wigan pack's aggressive style of play.
Roby is a different type altogether who's running game suits Saints style of play.
Wigan fans, including me, think McIlorum gets the better of Roby because the Wigan pack have been winning the battle v the Saints forwards in most games since the start of 2010 season.
Wigan have won 6 trophies in four season, Saints none!
That doesn't mean that I don't rate Roby very highly, I do! On form he is the best around providing the team he plays in is the type that suits him.
One big downside for Roby is that Saints are playing him 80 mins every game every season. That just can't go on. They'll burn him out. Howarth was borrowed last year when Roby was injured then sent back. If this 80 mins continues then he will have a short playing career as injuries and loss of form will catch up with him.
Great player Roby, Saints will have to look after him though!'"
I agree we are completely flogging him at the minute. A proper no.6 with Hohaia as a hooker would have been nice this season but the failure to buy a 6 has left us short.
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| Some interesting points on this thread. I just think McIlorum is massively underrated by fans of other clubs. As others have said maybe he is slightly overrated by us Wigan fans.
The drop in intensity in both defence and attack is noticeable when he leaves the field, he really is vital to setting the high energy tempo we play with.
I'm not saying he's a world beater. He has his flaws. His distribution is not always spot on, he throws his standard forward pass from dummy half most games and he's not really blessed with pace.
Stats such as try assists are not that relevant IMO. The style of Wigans play means a high percentage of our tries are scored by shifting the ball wide. Anyway I still stand by my OP, I wouldn't swap him for any other English hooker. A pacey impact hooker to accompany him would be good!
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| Put 'em all in a cage and let them fight it out.
My money's on Micky Mac!
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| Very good for Wigan - fits the style but best in SL ....no, for a no 9 his game is limited in some ways.
Besides you are all wrong- according to the great RL guru Stevo, Micky Higham and Rob Burrow are the best players ever! Well whenever he commentates on matches they are playing in you could easily be forgiven for thinking they are supermen.
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