An observation from an outsider. You just don't have enough natural size in the pack. Too many of your forwards just simply aren't big enough, or are carrying too much weight for their frame (a contributing factor in the amount of injuries you get?). I'm not saying Hull are the benchmark, but since that's who I support I will use us as an example. People talk about us having a massive pack, but Watts, Taylor, Green and Bowden (and you can probably include Motongo aswell although he's on the fringes) are just naturally big guys. None of them look like they spend too much time in the gym bulking up. They are big strong guys but also very mobile and capable of big minutes. I don't see anyone in the Wigan front row who fits that bill.

you've experienced the feeling when our home crowd was on a high, you want to have been there when we have lost and is a very gloomy place, had the place northstand been full which it hasn't know for a few years you would of been blown away by the noise, the way we have played this year I can't understand the lack of support

Don't disagree with any of that. We desperately, desperately need an organising Scrum Half.

This exact problem was identified by the club at the start of the 2014 when we went over to Australia to play the Roosters in the WCC. Radlinski specifically mentioned how much bigger they were and it was something the club needed to address. Here we are essentially four seasons later and nothing has been done about it.

I would give away all of our props and just play with Watts or Walmsley if I could. They both do more work on their own than our entire set or props combined.