The challenge cup. Lets be honest we had an easy cup run. And played Hull who had a terrible game. Same problems existed within the final as they have all season, did you see Sam linking out wide? No. Attack nulled by arching on the edge.

Fantastic to win the trophy, but there is an element of how it papered over the cracks.

One of the best things about mcguire was if players wernt playing well they got dropped so players knew they had to constantly perform or they were out for a few weeks not sure the players still feel that

I don't post on here often but i do read the threads. There are a lot of people on here who 3 months ago thought Wigan were head and shoulders the best attacking team in SL and that Green & Smith were the best half back pairing. Smith was rightly given the Lance Todd Trophy a few weeks ago and clearly isn't a bad player. Greens form has not been as good since his injury but I thought he was one of our better performers last night. He tried hard, took on the line and was creative.
We need to improve a lot to be competitive in the play offs but we can't dump the dip in form on the shoulders of the halves. Leeds were just better last night.
Wane has to say he isn't concerned about the form. He knows we're better. Would u rather he said something like 'Im worried sick about our form, we're not playing well & I don't know how to fix it'?

Not sure you're right. MM was accused of picking the same team all season in 2011 and not bringing anyone through. When you were out (Pryce, Phelps) you didn't come back.

I'm also not sure about this bagging of Green.
He created Wigans try, kicked a 40:20 (well the fef said he did

) put Thorney through and we should have scored. Then he put that kick for Pat up the wing.
On the minus side he threw the interception pass, and there was the poor kick just after Ptas break.

I've posted this AFTER watching the game again.

A couple of things that haven't been mentioned, the collision between Hansen and Goulding cost Wigan two substitutions and was a factor later in the match. Also for Leeds second try Scott Taylor was down in back play leaving Wigan a man short in the defensive line. Fair play to Leeds they exploited that space and were well worthy of their win.

Did they mention anything about Goulding? Is he ok?

Yesterday Green had a good game by his standards. He still cost us a try and found the fullback with unerring accuracy. He's awful, fat, small... shocking to think we bought him out of his contract.

Please for the love of god change things up next week Wane; Green out, Sam Tomkins in at stand-off, Hampshire at the back, hell stick big Tony G in- he causes problems.

While I'm at it, I'd love to see Matt Smith go in at hooker when Mickey gets knackered. We lose so much physicallity when Mcillorum goes off, Matty's one of our strongest tacklers and would provide a threat unlike Logan.

It's a strange feeling now the league season's over. We'd have all taken the CC at the start but the inability to replace Carmont or the halves has cost us dearly. You can all point to us being in a strong position with one trophy and a (slim, anoxeric slim) chance of the GF but the rugby has gone crap. All we had to show for last year was the hub cap but I was excited to watch some chuffing brilliant rugby, always dreaded going to Warrington but I should be excited when Huddersfield and Leeds come to town.

I agree with 100% of this post. I hadn't thought of Matty Smith to hooker but what a good call.

You mean not select Logan? But his surname is Tomkins, of course he'll be picked! Nothing to do with the fact he's the worst player in the team... His pass out on the right hand side following Thornley's break, which went over the head of everybody and stopped any attack on their line.... absolutely shocking, just a player who isn't good enough to wear a Wigan jersey and another reason why we won't go anywhere come playoff time. We have to 'hang on and hope they dont score' when Mickey goes off, that's no way to be a successful team.

We should play hampshire on the bench instead of logan. Smith to 9 when micky mac goes off

Where do our forwards come in this? I didn't see the game but when we play badly, it's normally because our forwards have been dominated. IMO our pack blows hot and cold far too often - they're not physical or intense enough in the tackle...

The pack is too young, especially the front rowers. Stick with them though and they will develop.