Each you player needs handling differently, there is no right or wrong in this debate, there is no set model for every young player, each player needs bringing through and developing at a rate solely specific to them.

Comparing Graham with Brown or any other young player is not relevant because we are dealing with 2 different athletes involved with 2 different clubs.

Exactly and as much as some people would disagree with me I would rather leave that to professional coaches rather than myself or any "experts" on here.

Didn't say that.

What he did was play Pryce at Stand off when McGuire was injured. This is despite the fact he should have played Pryce there from the off (either that, or played Burrow instead of Long). His hand was forced, in the same way that his hand was forced to play Tomkins last week, and Ainscough the week before.

Sean Long spat his dummy out and went home. Pryce was promptly plonked back on the wing, and Richard Horne was brought in at scrum half, with McGuire at Stand off.

What is the sense in that? At the time, Pryce was GB's best stand off, bar none, and McGuire was hopeless with anyone except Burrow at the side of him.

The team should have effectively picked itself, yet Noble ignored the obvious combinations. He continues to do this to this day, unless his hand is forced of course.

Rubbish, every academy player needs guidance and protection during their time from academy to first team. Too many players at Wigan got threw in at the deep end and now we are following the way Saints brought these 2 through. When i say protected i dont mean they had people making tackles for them or holding their hands i mean in the way the players are prepared and advised. All comes under the coaching. Protection from overuse, theyre bodies are still developing and are going against big hard experienced men, ie given games and taken out to stop fatigue becoming a problem in their muscles and causing injury. Too many players by the time they are 30 are burnt out not in their peak, look at what happened to Rads, Sculthorpe, Faz just to name a few.

There is nothing wrong with that statement.

Was or was not Pryce put back on the wing, and was or was not Richard Horne brought into the side in the same match?

Feel free to check before replying.

Has Noble stuck with:
O Carroll
J Tomkins
Ainscough

Since they played well for the club this season? Yes.

We all would have dropped Goulding. McClorum was getting more and more game time before his suspension. Prescott was injured.

So give the guy a break, he clearly does value our young lads. I didn't see Mathers anywhere this week, he could have dropped Ainscough for him but he didn't.

TO be fair, you couldn't possibly pick Mathers.

When Long came home from Australia in 2006 Horne wasnt in the tour squad, Burrow was reserve SH. What you on about?

Keep digging.

TBH I thought we would be waiting a lot longer to see the likes of Ainscough and Tomkins than we have. I agree Nobles hand has been forced to a degree but I think this thread is just a pure whinge about nout.

Do you think Rads or Faz were burned out? Both enjoyed testimonials. Maybe the Australians have it right as they always seem to and RL is a young mans sport which should be played much beyond the age of 30. IIRC Sculthorpe, Faz and Rads suffered injuries rather than burn out.

Nobody protected Shaun Edwards. If you are saying young players at Wigan are inadequately prepared as regards coaching compared to those at St Helens or Leeds then I would agree with you. That is the view of Mick Hogan too. Hogan hs been here what months, Noble years and one sees it, the other just made excuses.

The notion you can time when players begin their first team career is a fallacy. Most get their opportunities through necessity rather than anybody's choice.

Which he didn't.

Look at the amount of Wiganers in our squad used this season

Ainscough
J Tomkins
Goulding
S Tomkins
Hock
Lockers
O Carroll
McClorum

Not UK but Wigan lads. And look at there ages, nearly all under 25.