The latter half of Hock's career has hardly been a bed of roses, Dave.

He's had all kinds of on-field and off-field disciplinary issues.

Maybe he doesn't have a problem with coaches in general, but if he's messed the last two of them around, that rather suggests that his head is currently in the wrong place to be a professional sportsman.

I know that you are skeptical about IL on principle, and seem very far from happy with SW, but surely even you have doubts that Hock - with his frankly terrible record of the last few years - is some kind of innocent party in a Machiavellian scheme.

IL is a chairman who doesn't denounce individuals very often, but that was a startling press release. It read to me like a man at the end of his tether - and why not, after all the help the club has given to Hock.

Even if it's true that Hock is in trouble with the wrong people, it's the kind of bad luck that only seems to happen to people like him. Do we really need that at Wigan, with all the other distractions we have?

I don't want to lose a player like Hock, but weighing his troubles against his abilities, I'm not sure it's the disaster that some seem to feel.

Clearly, as you are the only person supposedly "In the know"... You do realise that if you had said nothing, this thread would have ended pages ago, so don't start bleating about people taking what you consider a contrary view..

I've been asked to explain my comments, to do that I'd have to name more names.

So people are wrong to believe IL's version of events, but he's not lying?

This gets better by the minute.

Again, not the most friendly of tones. And no I'm not the only one who's posted about another side to the story.

How about calling them person A or person B? Change their name to protect their identities.

I don't give a flying who is involved I simply want to know the reason for the fall out and why Wigan are to blame not Hock.

Is this for real? Do you really not understand the statement made my IL? The issue is why Hock wants to leave, what events happened after the event are true, hence why IL spoke of them.

Now cut out the attitude. If you want to have a discussion then discuss, saying things like 'this gets better by the minute' highlights the derogatory attitude certain posters have towards others.

Are you surprised? You and others like you are trashing the club in an open forum, but refusing to give an explanation.

I don't really care if you know the reason, lets face it you've not exactly been the friendliest of posters, PMing you etc is not something which is going to happen.

Odd that on an anonymous forum, you can't name names... bizarre.

Yes i'm typing very aggressively, broke two keyboards... Bit rich coming from a keyboard warrior who has called me childish twice...

Trashing the club? again total BS. I have done no such thing.

We can't have a discussion because every time we try too people come out with "if only you knew the truth" and then refuse to give the truth whilst getting upset that people want said truth.

So by questioning what you know means im not friendly towards you?