Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I reall couldn't disagree more about Newton v KFC. I'd have cunningham over Newton everytime at any age. Even now Cunningham is running the show at saints. As for Newton being a legend? I have to agree with Wigan/Leeds andy on this. A good player? Yes but let himself down on many an occasion with acts of thuggery. The one on long sticks in my mind. There's no room for that in our game from any player at any level.

He was my favourite player above Rads and Farrell when he played.

Gutted when he left and when he did he was never the same player.

Terry Newton 2001 - 2004 was a best hooker in Superleague 'IMO', athough I didn't watch the game in the same detail as I do now I still think regardless of what he did he was a fantastic player in his day.

I guess it’s each to their own but a player trying to return quicker from injury via enhancers isn’t as bad as a recreational drug user imo.

You can see why the player took the drug and with short careers I can understand it.

What Hock did is almost unforgivable as it served no purpose or benefit to himself or the team.

That is just complete rubbish

Why?

Joe Egan, Bill Sayer, Nicky Kiss, Martin Dermott and Robbie McCormack were all better hookers than Newton.

And the beast is unleashed ....

It is far worse to take a performance enhancing drug than a recreational one and I am truely staggered that anyone thinks it is better. He took performance enhancing drugs which he thought were undetectable and so believed he could cheat without anyone knowing. This was to improve his game. I am no fan of Hock but he took recreational drugs, which were not an attempt to cheat on the rugby field. This was plain stupid but not an attempt to cheat. This is a big difference in my opinion and what Newton did is far, far worse.

Also how do you know that Newton only took it to get over an injury quicker? Just because he says so doesnt make it true. Drug cheats in a wide range of sports have said similar things when caught just to get a little sympathy. He could have been taking them for far longer for all we know. As a drugs cheat I would say he isnt exactly believable.



I can see why he took the drug, he took the drug to cheat so that he could gain an unfair advantage which is against the rules. There isnt really anything else to understand.



So it is okay to cheat as long as you, or the team, get a performance benefit from it?

Hock was just stupid but did not do it to get a competitive advantage. Newton did thinking he couldnt get caught.

Colin Clarke ?

Like i said each to their own.

You think it's worse than what Hock did and i don't.

You certainly aren't going to change my mind and i don't think i will change yours either.

One thing i will say tho is i really think enhancers will come more and more into the game to the point were they become legal. For me it's the next evolution of sport science.

Kiss wasnt as good as Newton

They've been making that argument in athletics (where cheating seems to be far more widespread than in RL) for years, and even THEY can't find a way to "legalise cheating".

Drug taking should NEVER be the next evolution of anything.

To do that, they would have to create 2 competitions - 1 for clean players and one without testing for the rest, just like they do in body-building.