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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"Oh well thats great. Chairman now wanting to pick the team. Noble is the coach not IL. Wether you agree with Noble not wanting to play Tomkins or not,it is Noble who should pick the team and IL should keep his nose out. Noble is the coach not IL. Maurice Lindsay got blasted for this.
Brian Noble has every right to not play Tomkins. Infact,well done to him for standing up to IL and not allowing him to interfere in team selction.'"
I believe that is part of the tension between the 2. IL as you say cannot interfere directly and he has to allow Noble to select whom he wants but in less direct ways and bhind closed doors IL expresses his views. If we accept that IL is a 'fan' then that gives him the mentality of a fan. we often pick the team hypothetically etc.
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| Quote wigan pie man="wigan pie man"KARL PRYCE at 6.'"
Behave yourself
Quote wigan pie man="Charlie Seeling"Noble does not rate Sam anywhere near as highly. He has real hang ups about small players whomever they are. IL wants Sam in the team (IL in a sense does not help by making Sam 'his boy') So Sam becomes about more than the simple selection it should be and more about the power struggle between coach / owner.
I did say previously that at Leigh, Sam T could have been selected to play at 7 but had he done so and played well Noble would have been forced to select him v Wakey. By not selecting him to play many here agreed that he should at best be sub v Wakey. This is how pathetic selection politics has got at the club. Ironically, Noble talks about the players having their own agendas.
V Hull, Noble cannot not select Sam
However, if Noble had his way the Lockers to 6 ploy would be how he prefers to go. Lockers to 6 is crazy BTW and threatens to damage the good start to 2009 that Lockers had.
Our club is embroilled in a pathetic power struggle between owner / coach.'"
If true. Noble should resign and explain why he is doing so. Noble is the coach and IL should stay as far away from that process as possible. If he has such serious with the way Noble is doing his job, he should sack him.
If this is true, god help us.
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| Quote Charlie Seeling="Charlie Seeling"I believe that is part of the tension between the 2. IL as you say cannot interfere directly and he has to allow Noble to select whom he wants but in less direct ways and bhind closed doors IL expresses his views. If we accept that IL is a 'fan' then that gives him the mentality of a fan. we often pick the team hypothetically etc.'"
Yes, but the difference is, it really doesn't matter what we say, because we aren't involved in the process. As such he should act accordingly and leave it to the coaching set up to deal with. Owner or not.
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| Quote WigansForeignLegion="WigansForeignLegion"Charlie, can you substantiate your claim of a rift in any way? I'm not doubting what you're saying as such but haven't read/heard this anywhere else and therefore would be grateful of something to add credence to this.'"
Most RL media employees would confirm it.
Unfortunately, I cannot print for a example a comment because by doing so it would become evident to IL/Noble who said it.
Other than Wane, everybody at the club tip toes around stroking both IL and Noble's Egos.
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| Quote AJ="AJ"If this is true, god help us.'"
Massive massive MASSIVE "if" there.
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| Quote Charlie Seeling="Charlie Seeling"Noble does not rate Sam anywhere near as highly. He has real hang ups about small players whomever they are. IL wants Sam in the team (IL in a sense does not help by making Sam 'his boy') So Sam becomes about more than the simple selection it should be and more about the power struggle between coach / owner.
I did say previously that at Leigh, Sam T could have been selected to play at 7 but had he done so and played well Noble would have been forced to select him v Wakey. By not selecting him to play many here agreed that he should at best be sub v Wakey. This is how pathetic selection politics has got at the club. Ironically, Noble talks about the players having their own agendas.
V Hull, Noble cannot not select Sam
However, if Noble had his way the Lockers to 6 ploy would be how he prefers to go. Lockers to 6 is crazy BTW and threatens to damage the good start to 2009 that Lockers had.
Our club is embroilled in a pathetic power struggle between owner / coach.'"
There's only one winner there then, he who pays the piper etc.......
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| Quote Laura xxx="Laura xxx"Massive massive MASSIVE "if" there.'"
True. But IMO if it wasn't true, Charlie has already "slurred" both their characters sufficently to see some kind of comeback.
It would make sense tbh in terms of team selection and Noble seemingly wanting to get a 6 in.
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| Quote AJ="AJ"Yes, but the difference is, it really doesn't matter what we say, because we aren't involved in the process. As such he should act accordingly and leave it to the coaching set up to deal with. Owner or not.'"
Very true but never under estimate how much politics goes on at a professional sports organisation.
An example of selection politics. we played Catalan. A forward had an injury doubt. So a reserve forward was given the reserve spot. At the last minute that was changed and Sam T was given his place. The forward with the injury doubt broke down within minute of the game starting and we had no reserve for him on the bench.
Just as a really silly example. The reserves drew a game v Bradford last season IIRC and Sam T bombed a try when all he had to do was pass the ball. He was told not to turn up at the post match video evaluation and when the rest of the team were shown the plus/negative points they ended the analysis before the last couple of minutes so to avoid showing the error by Sam T. How crazy is that
What we as fans do not realise is that sometimes coaches make promises to players and then if they break that promise it becomes an issue.
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| Quote Laura xxx="Laura xxx"Massive massive MASSIVE "if" there.'"
You complain if I post as regards you and yet you are here again.
I would be interested to know who gave Cruncher my IP addresses also. Invasion of privacy?
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| Quote AJ="AJ"True. But IMO if it wasn't true, Charlie has already "slurred" both their characters sufficently to see some kind of comeback.
It would make sense tbh in terms of team selection and Noble seemingly wanting to get a 6 in.'"
It seems IL deliberately didnt sign a 6 thinking it would force Noble would play Tomkins.
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| Noble was obsessed with signing Bird. However, the rumours re unloading other plyers cause a great deal of unest.
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| Quote Charlie Seeling="Charlie Seeling"Noble was obsessed with signing Bird. However, the rumours re unloading other plyers cause a great deal of unest.'"
Just to back you up on this Charlie, I was told of friction between them last season.
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