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| Quote: Grimmy "So the same as now then.
2 in league
1 in magic
1 in cup
2 in play offs'"
the difference being that the probabilities have now increased, as we have 3 league games are guarranteed.
we also have the problem of more games against the same teams, as teh size of the league has been reduced.
its going to be very repetitive
by my rough calculations, the team that wins the league will play :
5 teams a minimum of 3 times
2 teams a minimum of 4 times
that doesnt include the CC and Magic. with a bad cup run, they could play 7 teams all 4 times in a season !
its going to be a bit like the SPL
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| Quote: Grimmy "Didn't say it wasn't an opinion, still moaning though...
New structure
It's going to be interesting to see how they sell season tickets for 2015. The top 8 playing each other once is 7 games so some clubs get four home fixtures and others three.
It is also just as likely one or more teams will be assured of a top four slot as it is now before the end of the league season so you will still see coaches resting players and some of these fixtures will be meaningless.
Likewise if the 8th placed side has no chance of reaching the top 4 and this is easily a possible scenario, in fact I think it will be quite a likely one, what is the point to them of these 7 games?
The race to get into the top 8 may make the first 23 games more competitive early on but once things settle down I don't think it will continue and the top 8 will be seen a protracted play off about as attractive as the early rounds of the current play offs.
Quote: Grimmy "bottom 4 play top 4 of the division below to decide who will be in SL the following year'"
Have RFL officially said how this is going to work yet? I have read in the past all clubs will start on zero points and at the end of 7 games 4th v 5th will play off in a "million pound game". I have not seen anything official though.
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| Quote: DaveO "It's going to be interesting to see how they sell season tickets for 2015. The top 8 playing each other once is 7 games so some clubs get four home fixtures and others three.
It is also just as likely one or more teams will be assured of a top four slot as it is now before the end of the league season so you will still see coaches resting players and some of these fixtures will be meaningless.
Likewise if the 8th placed side has no chance of reaching the top 4 and this is easily a possible scenario, in fact I think it will be quite a likely one, what is the point to them of these 7 games?
The race to get into the top 8 may make the first 23 games more competitive early on but once things settle down I don't think it will continue and the top 8 will be seen a protracted play off about as attractive as the early rounds of the current play offs.
Have RFL officially said how this is going to work yet? I have read in the past all clubs will start on zero points and at the end of 7 games 4th v 5th will play off in a "million pound game". I have not seen anything official though.'"
Top and 3rd tiers points rollover, middle tier points reset. Top 3 of middle tier qualify for following year's SL along with winner of 4th v 5th playoff.
I actually think it will be a lot better. My only issue with it is keeping the Magic weekend as an extra game.
Also, apparently Leeds are selling season tickets that count for all home games pre and post split, hopefully us and all the other teams follow suit.
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| Quote: DaveO "It's going to be interesting to see how they sell season tickets for 2015. The top 8 playing each other once is 7 games so some clubs get four home fixtures and others three.
It is also just as likely one or more teams will be assured of a top four slot as it is now before the end of the league season so you will still see coaches resting players and some of these fixtures will be meaningless.
Likewise if the 8th placed side has no chance of reaching the top 4 and this is easily a possible scenario, in fact I think it will be quite a likely one, what is the point to them of these 7 games?
The race to get into the top 8 may make the first 23 games more competitive early on but once things settle down I don't think it will continue and the top 8 will be seen a protracted play off about as attractive as the early rounds of the current play offs.
Have RFL officially said how this is going to work yet? I have read in the past all clubs will start on zero points and at the end of 7 games 4th v 5th will play off in a "million pound game". I have not seen anything official though.'"
Aye not sure how ST system will work. No they haven't said it officially yet to be fair hope they don't go for the million pound game
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| how to turn a simple game into one where you need a degree in brain surgery to understand it. Just watched Brisbane v Warriors in a tight exciting game where every player gave their all in front of over 37,000 - bring on playin Fev (or who ever it may be from the lower leagues) 5 times a year in front of 2000. I suppose that is progress...
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| Next season will be a lot more exciting. The new restructure will bring a higher percentage of competitive games. I know that Rugby fans seem to have a tendency to be negative about everything but the RFL do deserve credit for this as it will no doubt improve the competition(s).
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| Quote: lemonhead "how to turn a simple game into one where you need a degree in brain surgery to understand it. Just watched Brisbane v Warriors in a tight exciting game where every player gave their all in front of over 37,000 - bring on playin Fev (or who ever it may be from the lower leagues) 5 times a year in front of 2000. I suppose that is progress...'"
Will Accrington Stanley be in the mix, if so it means that I am starting to understand the system.+++
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| Quote: Pacific "Next season will be a lot more exciting. The new restructure will bring a higher percentage of competitive games. I know that Rugby fans seem to have a tendency to be negative about everything but the RFL do deserve credit for this as it will no doubt improve the competition(s).'"
Even if it looks like it [idoes[/i work, I'll lay odds that the RFL will bottle it in 5 or 6 years & dream up some other half-baked idea.
The franchise/licensing (whatever you call it) was starting to work. Would Cas be where they are now without it? would the French have as good a squad as they have with the support they routinely garner? All imponderables, but the experiment hadn't run its course before they decided to start fiddling & burned the paperwork. London & Bradford aren't victims of the system, they have been poorly run (on and off the field) for the last 10 years or so, and their demise was always when not if. What pillock was really responsible for thinking that setting up a league team next door to RFU headquarters was ever going to work?
The real problem is that we have an inept and incompetent game leadership who couldn't advertise ice-cream in Dubai & get it to sell.
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| Quote: CyberPieMan "Even if it looks like it [idoes[/i work, I'll lay odds that the RFL will bottle it in 5 or 6 years & dream up some other half-baked idea.
The franchise/licensing (whatever you call it) was starting to work. Would Cas be where they are now without it? would the French have as good a squad as they have with the support they routinely garner? All imponderables, but the experiment hadn't run its course before they decided to start fiddling & burned the paperwork. London & Bradford aren't victims of the system, they have been poorly run (on and off the field) for the last 10 years or so, and their demise was always when not if. What pillock was really responsible for thinking that setting up a league team next door to RFU headquarters was ever going to work?
The real problem is that we have an inept and incompetent game leadership who couldn't advertise ice-cream in Dubai & get it to sell.'"
I don't want to go into a Meltdown but I do agree that the RFL doesn't have the best people running it. As people on here have said, it is run by 'careerists' who have only ever worked in Red Hall and have very little experience of business outside Leeds. This is my criticism. As Lenagen said, Blake Solly is just a kid who's good with the media but he is no way fit to run a competition which hopes to expand in coming years. The competition would be better run by someone with proven experience and success in the business world and not by someone who gets promotions by taking Nigel Wood cups of Tea to his desk.
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| Quote: CyberPieMan "All imponderables, but the experiment hadn't run its course before they decided to start fiddling & burned the paperwork.'"
Hit the nail on the head.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Aye not sure how ST system will work. No they haven't said it officially yet to be fair hope they don't go for the million pound game'"
Don't you see that as a problem though? I keep up with the RL media as I am sure you do but neither of us know the ins and outs of the 2015 competition.
It should be nailed down already. Looks totally amateurish it's not finalised already.
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| Quote: CyberPieMan "Even if it looks like it [idoes[/i work, I'll lay odds that the RFL will bottle it in 5 or 6 years & dream up some other half-baked idea.'"
Have they ever considered a novel and unique system where the team with the most points over the whole season (ie the best and most consistent team) is given the title champions? Throw in all the marketing currently spent on Magic, Exiles etc into a revitalised Challenge Cup.
The new system has the following serious flaws:
You play 30 regular rounds just to gain a home tie in the playoffs.
Too many games.
As you don't take points gained into the relegation group clubs already booked into the top 4 / bottom 4 will freewheel.
A team scraping into 7th / 8th after 23 rounds will have no chance of making the 4 and will become cannon fodder.
The dual reg scheme will be discredited as you could finish up in the same comp as your partners.
Teams in the relegation group playing under different salary caps.
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| Quote: Finfin "Have they ever considered a novel and unique system where the team with the most points over the whole season (ie the best and most consistent team) is given the title champions? '"
That was a previous experiment that was scrapped when the best team (Wigan) won it every year. Even the top 4 system is not so novel. It was the standard way of establishing champions until the 1970's when the First division was established with the team finishing top was declared champions.
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| Quote: nohalfbacks "That was a previous experiment that was scrapped when the best team (Wigan) won it every year. '"
And what's wrong with the best team winning it (and haven't one club dominated the current system over the last 8 years)?
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| Quote: Finfin "Have they ever considered a novel and unique system where the team with the most points over the whole season (ie the best and most consistent team) is given the title champions? Throw in all the marketing currently spent on Magic, Exiles etc into a revitalised Challenge Cup.
The new system has the following serious flaws
You can draw up a similar list of flaws for the current system, or any other system we have had previously. Too many people are not willing to give the new system a chance and have written it off before it's started. No system is ever going to be perfect. At least the 2x12/3x8 system coming in next year means there will be more competitive games between the top sides and fewer games between top sides and whipping boys that are a forgone conclusion between a ball has been kicked. And it gets rid of this god awful top 8 playoff system that we currently have.
If we follow the pattern Leeds have done and all potential home games count on the season ticket, then next year we'll get 11 games against the current top 12, then instead of games against London and Bradford, we'll have either 3 or 4 games against top 8 opposition, surely that's better?
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