They are a special breed thats for sure

Just on Jai Field, he had direct involvement on the play before on all our tries in the first half, he attracts players to him and it creates space, its pretty simple.

And while Jake Bibby has had his critics this year, what a lovely bit of centre play that was for that 1st try.

I thought we did a good job on Walmsley - he had very little impact on the game

We did the same on Good Friday, but then Paasi ruined us. Get our rotation right and handle him better and we won't be far off.

Agreed Paasi came on and changed the momentum of the game in the semi.

We put a lot of effort into nullifying Walmsley but need to manage it when he leaves the field better if we are to beat them again later in the year.

And Morgan (the bestest player in Superleague by a country mile) Knowles,did he even play?

This from James Graham is interesting:
“The likes of Percival, Roby, Lomax and young Lewis Dodd are super-talented players. Walmsley, the list goes on. So if you are ever in an environment with that talent that you can marry in with hard-working individuals like Morgan Knowles, the results can be pretty spectacular.

Pretty much what I've always said about Knowles. A grafter but not a superstar in the Sculthorpe, Farrell, O'Loughlin class. He's being way over-hyped in my opinion.

He'd walk in to your team

As i've said before best team won on the day them.two are are just bad losers incapable of giving other teams any credit

He would indeed but I don’t think it’s the point he’s making. It goes back to Wilkins comments saying he thinks he’s gone past O’Loughlins best level already. That’s absolutely not the case, even though I personally do rate Knowles very highly and have him down as one the leagues best players.

That's debatable for me - Smithies is a few years younger and outplayed him on Saturday. No way I would want to swap him atm with the progress he's made this year.

I wouldn’t limit it to just the chuckle brothers saying we were second best for the ‘whole’ second half or that we only won due to a Saints error though, as I’ve seen similar comments across various platforms.

As things stand right now he’d get in. In a couple of years maybe, maybe not, we’ll have to see how it plays out.

The chuckle brothers I like it

So you're basing it on one game ? Lets see how goes the rest of the year eh?.

And Havard would walk into yours. That doesn't make him some kind of superstar just yet. Knowles is a good player. I'll even accept a very good player by superleague standards. But the amount of hype surrounding him is completely off the scale for what amounts to a grafter. As I say, we aren't talking a Sculthorpe or an O'Loughlin here. He never has, and probably never will given he's already in his mid 20s, be able to take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it 'single handedly' as those two could.

There have been many grafters throughout rugby league who would walk into practically any side because all sides need them. But let's not talk them up beyond what they are! Jammer's comments hit the nail squarely on the head. In a team of quality, the Knowles' of this world allow the star players to do their thing. That doesn't qualify them as being among their ranks. Smithies, for us, is doing a similar job. His graft allows the likes of French, Field or Farrell to do their thing. It doesn't put him in the same bracket as them.

To be fair, he's been doing it all year and we're nearly half way through the season.

Smithies has been excellent this season, so from that side it isn’t one game but I get what you’re saying head to head. We’ve had a great victory against you but we still have to be sensible. As things stand Knowles gets in a side in front of Smithies and even you wanted to play both, you could put Knowles at prop, no worries whatsoever.

He’ll challenge Knowles in time though will Smithies IMO.

Havard would get in Saints team ?? Behave

He's better than Lees and LMS, so yes he would.

You need to take more water with it pal

I’ve been honest on Knowles and I’ll be honest on Havard. Saints would absolutely love to have him, as would any other superleague side and many Down Under. He’s far from the finished article but he’s a very good player already. Scary to think how good he’d have been in a Saints side alongside guys like Walmsley, Knowles and Paasi these past couple of seasons.

Melbourne were up for signing Havard before his injury so he would walk into any team i think that it's just a matter of time before he goes down under and he would rip it up over there

Did Wilkin say that?!

I thought the talk about Knowles being the best player in the league was bad but that is another level

I make a point to keep an eye on him now but I don't see much above what phuzzy is saying. He's good but lockers is an all time great, comparing Knowles to him is crazy.

And yeah, if Havard played for saints wilkin would be saying he's better than Jamie Peacock.