Exactly Jukes, many Saints fans expected to be winning trophies when Potter took over after he did a good job with where he got the Dragons. FTV might be in the minority but there was plenty of Saints fans who expected he'd carry on where Anderson left and he has simply failed as a coach at St Helens.

Mal Meninga

Yes he did. Noble was, however, at Wigan for much of the 2006 season then the whole 2007, 2008 and 2009 seasons. His remit changed over that time and by the end of his tenure was nothing like what you outline above - it was to win trophies.

Potter has had a season and a half and in that time has reached the grand final and blooded lots of promising young players. We sit 2 points off the top of the table despite a fairly ropey time with injuries this year and we're in some good form. It looks like Potter will not get the opportunity to build upon what he is doing at the moment.

Noble had that opportunity and made little of it. That is the difference.

He'll be gone in weeks - announcing you are leaving at the end of the season seldom turns out well.

Remember Stuart Raper in 2003.

i wouldn't have thought Saints are in a financial position TO pay him up and appoint someone else. They need every penny for their new stadium.

That crossed my mind too. Plus, with Raper there was the Dave Whelan factor.

If memory serves, Whelan was interfering in team matters and going over Raper's head. There had obviousbly been a complete breakdown of trust, because wasn't it felt that Raper then jumped before he was pushed (and was then pushed as well)?

I don't get the impression that McManus is as much a blunt instrument as Whelan (not with Saints one week away from a big cup tie).

maybe the HKR form is down to Morgan telling them hes off ?

then again maybe wakefields form before murryfield was down to him telling them hes off to saints too

I got told at the weekend he is taking over bradford next season

What about Brian Smith?

There was talk of Nathan Brown to the Roosters last week wasn't there?

Cronulla ?

ricky stewart to saints and nathan brown to cronulla ??

Has he won anything with Saints?

Your right sorry it was Cronulla. I don't know where i got the roosters from?