I agree Dave, we have a habit of winning close games because we are tough and never give up and I think Wane deserves credit for that, however as you state our lack of tactical awareness, bodies in motion and poor skills in attack means we are solely reliant on that. More often than not good teams will not give you the opportunity to come back into the game.

I was asked earlier who I was aiming my jobs for the boys comments at, to be honest the entire set up. Wane earned his shot at coaching to be fair but at the moment it isn't working out. Rads CEO? What other major brand brings someone into that role with such little background or apprenticeship? Paul Johnson Conditioner, we have gone backwards in this department since Bitcon moved upstairs. For me all those positions need reviewing, including Bitcom.

No matter what your business is you need new ideas and new ways of doing thing to freshen things up if you don't you become stale and fall behind your comp who are open to new ideas.

The Bradford demise is a great example of this. Watered down coaches from the Brian Smith era saw them become a very dated team in a very quick space of time given how successful they once were.

I'm hoping TL can have an influence next season given the fact he has been away but it shouldn't be down to him to affect the necessary change and evolution.

Talk of this Wigan Way boils my urine! It is great to have pride in your town and club and its history but you always need to explore new ways of doing things and improving rather than constantly tipping your hat to how things have been done in the past.

How do you know that Rads, Johnson etc. aren't good at their jobs? Just because they have previous ties to the club does not mean they are given jobs purely on that basis. If that was the case wouldn't legends like Andy Gregory have a role at the club?

The fact is you don't have a clue, but as someone pointed out a couple days ago, you seem to think you have all the answers so why haven't you emailed your CV to Lenagan? I'm sure he'll be impressed with your credentials at the under 11's age group.

So in other words, it wasn't the truth. Surprise surprise.

And as for Harris, he has a track record for making bad decisions when it comes to his own career.

He was on course to being a playing legend, and finished up being an underperforming and very overpaid joke. In coaching terms, he's done next to nothing. On paper, moving from assistant coach at Wigan to head-coach elsewhere was a no-brainer, except that the elsewhere was the Monty Python show that is Salford under Koukash.

I don't know why anyone would listen to anything that Iestyn Harris has to say.

I've been involved with 3 clubs on a pro level and waked away from a job at a fourth, in truth not enough money in it for me and also it is an extremely incestuous political environment something I know for a fact the RFL believe to be harming the game.

The names I mention may be great at their jobs, I can only point to the fact that it doesn't look great on recent underachievement and transfer policy. I did say their positions should be reviewed.

I did also say the bigger issue is the lack of new ideas coming in constantly using people with links to the club, finally a top brand should be going after the best people to support that brand. If all those people happen to be born in the Wigan borough fair enough and what an incredible coincidence, however I highly doubt that is the case.

You wanna chill out lad.

Where did i pretend it was the truth??

It was my observation of what has happened over the past few years.

Never liked Harris but it seems funny how all coaches with clout have gone??

Waney has had a good bit of slack, and i know as everyone else does he is Wigan to the heart, but that doesn't give fans value for money or gets pots in the cabinet.

After spending thousands over 30 odd years watching Wigan i don't spend a penny now and i don't feel bad about it.

I'd say the Bradford demise was down to the Harris court case more than anything else TBH.

What we need is less emphasis on defence and more on attack, I'd write this year off and hope we work on our attack in pre season.

Of all the posters to say that to

What, a few low profile coaching jobs and that makes him infallible does it?

I certainly wouldn't tell him he doesn't have a clue, I'm sure they didn't all pick him at random

Id say he knows a damn site more than 99.9% of posters on here

My limited exposure to the pro game and it is limited has nothing to do with anything telling me to put a CV in however is a bit daft.

My opinion in real terms is no more valid or invalid than anybody else who posts on here.

I just try to state an opinion and back it up with my reason for thinking it.

The crux of the issue for me is when dealing with a rugby brand as famous and big as Wigan RLFC all the senior staff have very close links to Wigan and were born in the Wigan postcode area.

They may be great at their jobs but in my opinion the last few years from the outside looking in I admit would point that it may not be the case.

I want the best people running our club and driving it forward I think looking back and not bringing in new methods form elsewhere is symptomatic of what we are seeing in the field, a team playing within itself, not reaching its potential and a club stagnating and looking tired. This transfers to the fans and nobody can deny the feeling of lethargy that surrounds the following of the Club at the moment. The semi turnout was embarrassing.

For what it's worth, I can see you're a very knowledgeable guy, far more knowledgeable than me in fact. We're just at opposite ends of the spectrum regarding how the club is being run, that's why I tend to question you a lot on your position. No disrespect meant, chief.