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Quote: hatty "Is like to predict the names below all being shown the door, but it won't happen

The only ones I disagree with there are Powell & Sutton. But then I would add TT

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Quote: hatty "Is like to predict the names below all being shown the door, but it won't happen

I wouldn't let Gelling go without a top class proven centre to replace him.

Out of interest (as this is pie in the sky and won't happen) who is realistically available that is better than these players?

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "I wouldn't let Gelling go without a top class proven centre to replace him.

Out of interest (as this is pie in the sky and won't happen) who is realistically available that is better than these players?'"

Alas that I don't know, I just feel that we need an injection of new blood into the team

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Quote: Azul "The only ones I disagree with there are Powell & Sutton. But then I would add TT'"


Utterly useless since signing his new deal.

We need to be sensible about clear outs though. The players don't become poor overnight and the coaching staff should be getting more out of them. At Cas Daryl Powell is getting every last ounce of talent out of all of his players. Some are good players anyway but some have been nothing but average at their previous clubs. There's seems to be an enjoyable atmosphere for them to play in though and a real togetherness.

I look through the squad and the big areas of concern for me are scrum half at at prop. I would love to see FPN walk through the door and if somebody fancied Tautai, they'd be welcome to him. After that one of Leukuai, McIlorum or Powell would have to go for me because three hookers in to two spots doesn't go.

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Tautai to be let go and if we can replace him sufficiently (and somebody wants him). A swap for Ukuma Ta'ai would do for me.

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Outs

Tierney
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Tautai
FPN
Leaulai moved to coaching
Mickey Mac
Gelling
Joel Tomkins
Flower

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Promoting the likes of Wells and Shorrocks more but signings

echo a few others here

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Tai'i (would love these two)
Bill Topou
Danny Walker
Cronk? ambitious - Failing that i would go for Michael Doolan from the Bulldogs. Was highly rated at the Eels before his move and i think is off contract.

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Quote: apollosghost "We'll be under the pump and doing it tough, the team will be hurting because these aren't Wigan performances.
We'll be in the wrestle pit Monday morning working on our technique but we'll be okay when we get some bodies back.'"


Cliche hell !

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Hard to know where to start after sitting there watching that this afternoon, standing in the cue for the ladies was far more exciting than wigans performance this afternoon and as so many have said it's more of the same next season if something doesn't change, be it new coach or a clear out, probably both for me as the side looks utterly stale and bereft of ideas.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Utterly useless since signing his new deal.

We need to be sensible about clear outs though. The players don't become poor overnight and the coaching staff should be getting more out of them. At Cas Daryl Powell is getting every last ounce of talent out of all of his players. Some are good players anyway but some have been nothing but average at their previous clubs. There's seems to be an enjoyable atmosphere for them to play in though and a real togetherness.

I look through the squad and the big areas of concern for me are scrum half at at prop. I would love to see FPN walk through the door and if somebody fancied Tautai, they'd be welcome to him. After that one of Leukuai, McIlorum or Powell would have to go for me because three hookers in to two spots doesn't go.

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Tautai to be let go and if we can replace him sufficiently (and somebody wants him). A swap for Ukuma Ta'ai would do for me.'"

Personally I would clear out more but common sense says that in the short term we can't. The pack is woeful. I'd also add Clubb who can't it seems do more than 15 minutes and MM who adds practically nothing to the game and seems incapable of adding anything to his game.
Unless we get another Maguire the necessary changes will take 2 or 3 years

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Personally I would clear out more but common sense says that in the short term we can't. The pack is woeful. I'd also add Clubb who can't it seems do more than 15 minutes and MM who adds practically nothing to the game and seems incapable of adding anything to his game.
Unless we get another Maguire the necessary changes will take 2 or 3 years'"


Just get a new coach in. He'd soon realise which players need replacing.

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I'm leaning towards a new coach.
A lot of the players mentioned here will probably be good enough under a new coach for the next season or two. This will give us time to bring in new talent gradually and transform the team without the process being too disruptive.
We have NO attack and are dull, dull, dull; clueless, dull, predictable, dull, dull - oh and boring. I will take Cas as an entertaining team, but Wakefield???
We need a world class SH and a reliable kicker. I remember the transition from Joe Lydon (who could take a penalty in front of the sticks and hit the corner flag) to Frano Botica; Frano was just reliable, you could bet your house that four points would be six.
Not vast changes initially - just new ideas and a style that reflects what RL is all about.

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Quote: Cherry_Warrior "Outs

Tierney
Navarrete
Tautai
FPN
Leaulai moved to coaching
Mickey Mac
Gelling
Joel Tomkins
Flower

Ins

Promoting the likes of Wells and Shorrocks more but signings

echo a few others here

Bousquet
Tai'i (would love these two)
Bill Topou
Danny Walker
Cronk? ambitious - Failing that i would go for Michael Doolan from the Bulldogs. Was highly rated at the Eels before his move and i think is off contract.'"


We are never going to get Cronk. He is leaving Melbourne because his Fiancée lives in Sydney. She works for Fox Sports, and he has already started being a pundit on the Rugby league Channel. If he does play, and he doesn’t really want to play against his mates, it will be in Sydney.

In all probability he’ll retire, although it was rumoured for a short time the Bulldogs and Saints were interested. Saints have since signed Ben Hunt, the Bulldog have salary cap issues and are looking to offload some players. We could make some enquiries about some of their players. Aiden Tolman might be worth a sneaky offer.

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An observation from an outsider. You just don't have enough natural size in the pack. Too many of your forwards just simply aren't big enough, or are carrying too much weight for their frame (a contributing factor in the amount of injuries you get?). I'm not saying Hull are the benchmark, but since that's who I support I will use us as an example. People talk about us having a massive pack, but Watts, Taylor, Green and Bowden (and you can probably include Motongo aswell although he's on the fringes) are just naturally big guys. None of them look like they spend too much time in the gym bulking up. They are big strong guys but also very mobile and capable of big minutes. I don't see anyone in the Wigan front row who fits that bill.

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Quote: NickyKiss "The seasons end has come at the right time for us all I think. It's not enjoyable currently and I'm glad I can get away from it for a few months.

We stood in the Wakefield end today and the buzz from their fans was something I'd love to feel again. I will always accept winning regardless of how we do it but when you don't play a particularly attractive brand of rugby and start losing on a regular basis playing that way, you're in trouble.

Lenagan and Rads need to sit down with Wane and discuss his plans. What does he feel he can do to freshen it all up? If the answers aren't want they need to hear then they may have no choice but to take it out of his hands. I'm somebody who wants Wane here for 2018 but he needs to change the way we play the game.'"

you've experienced the feeling when our home crowd was on a high, you want to have been there when we have lost and is a very gloomy place, had the place northstand been full which it hasn't know for a few years you would of been blown away by the noise, the way we have played this year I can't understand the lack of support

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Quote: NickyKiss "Utterly useless since signing his new deal.

We need to be sensible about clear outs though. The players don't become poor overnight and the coaching staff should be getting more out of them. At Cas Daryl Powell is getting every last ounce of talent out of all of his players. Some are good players anyway but some have been nothing but average at their previous clubs. There's seems to be an enjoyable atmosphere for them to play in though and a real togetherness.

I look through the squad and the big areas of concern for me are scrum half at at prop. I would love to see FPN walk through the door and if somebody fancied Tautai, they'd be welcome to him. After that one of Leukuai, McIlorum or Powell would have to go for me because three hookers in to two spots doesn't go.

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Tierney
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Scrum half who can kick/organise

Tautai to be let go and if we can replace him sufficiently (and somebody wants him). A swap for Ukuma Ta'ai would do for me.'"


Don't disagree with any of that. We desperately, desperately need an organising Scrum Half.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "An observation from an outsider. You just don't have enough natural size in the pack. Too many of your forwards just simply aren't big enough, or are carrying too much weight for their frame (a contributing factor in the amount of injuries you get?). I'm not saying Hull are the benchmark, but since that's who I support I will use us as an example. People talk about us having a massive pack, but Watts, Taylor, Green and Bowden (and you can probably include Motongo aswell although he's on the fringes) are just naturally big guys. None of them look like they spend too much time in the gym bulking up. They are big strong guys but also very mobile and capable of big minutes. I don't see anyone in the Wigan front row who fits that bill.'"


This exact problem was identified by the club at the start of the 2014 when we went over to Australia to play the Roosters in the WCC. Radlinski specifically mentioned how much bigger they were and it was something the club needed to address. Here we are essentially four seasons later and nothing has been done about it.

I would give away all of our props and just play with Watts or Walmsley if I could. They both do more work on their own than our entire set or props combined.

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